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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (137)9/19/2002 11:18:40 AM
From: LPS5  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2534
 
Capitalism indeed carries Darwinist/Mathusian implications, and there is certainly some viciousness to its' natural cycles as well.

But to me, there's nothing more immoral; more deceptive; and it is far more vicious, to suggest the omniscience of (and deliver omnipotence to) the state to establish a singular, centrally planned social and economic structure. A structure within which all individuals of varying - indeed, a dizzying array - of combinations of intellect, motivation, cultures, and means must submit.

LPS5



To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (137)9/20/2002 11:44:02 AM
From: LPS5  Respond to of 2534
 
Some excerpts from an 1848 lecture on civil disobedience by Henry David Thoreau:

...I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe--"that government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that is the kind of government which they will have.

Government is at best an expedient, but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient.

The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it.

Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way.

The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Trade and commerce, if they were not made of india-rubber, would never manage to bounce over obstacles which legislators are continually putting in their way, and if one were to judge these men wholly by the effects of their actions and not partly by their intentions, they would deserve to be classed with those most mischievious persons who put obstructions on the railroads.

After all, the practical reason why, when the power is once in the hands of the people, a majority are permitted, and for a long time continue, to rule is not because they are most likely to be in the right, nor because this seems fairest to the minority, but because they are physically the strongest.

But a government in which the majority rule in all cases can not be based on justice . . . Can there not be a government in which the majorities do not virtually decide right and wrong, but conscience?

Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience then? I think we should be men first, and subjects afterwards.

Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.

. . . most legislators . . . as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God.

How does it become a man to behave toward the American government today? I answer, that he cannot without disgrace be associated with it.

All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable.

But when...oppression and robbery are organized, I say, let us not have such a machine [government] any longer.

Even voting for the right thing is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority.

If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man's shoulders. I must get off him first, that he may pursue his contemplations too.

Those who, while they disapprove of the character and measures of a government, yield to it their allegiance and support are undoubtedly its most conscientious supporters, and so frequently the most serious obstacles to reform.

Unjust laws exist . . . Men, generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist , the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse.

. . . If [government injustice] is of such a nature that it requires you to be an agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law...What I have to do myself is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.

A minority is powerless when it conforms to the majority.

. . . the freest of my neighbors . . . cannot spare the protection of the existing government, and they dread the consequences to their property and families of disobedience to it.

But, if I deny the authority of the state when it presents its tax bill, it will soon take and waste my property and so harass me and my children without end. This is hard. This makes it impossible for a man to live honestly, and at the same time comfortably...

I saw that the State was half-witted . . . and I lost all my remaining respect for it. . . .

. . . the state . . . is not armed with superior honesty, but with superior physical strength.

I was not born to be forced . . .

Statesmen and legislators, standing so completely within the institution, never distinctly and nakedly behold it . . . all their wit and usefulness lie within certain not very wide limits.

Our legislators . . . have no genius or talent for comparatively humble questions of taxation and finance, commerce and manufactures and agriculture. If we were left solely to the wordy wit of legislators in Congress for our guidance, uncorrected by the seasonable experience and the effectual complaints of the people, America would not long retain her rank among the nations.

The authority of government . . . to be strictly just, it must have the sanction and consent of the governed. It can have no pure right over my person and property but what I concede to it.

Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last possible improvement in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly.


I humbly submit that if good Dave were to see the state of our socialist, paternalizing paradise today, he'd head right back out to Walden Woods.

LPS5