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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Thomas M. who wrote (14672)9/20/2002 9:04:24 AM
From: LPS5  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
And your zero-assed attempt to tie the WTC attack to Saddam.

"Zero-assed"? Clever! Sharp as a bowling ball! :-)

With respect to my "attempt" to tie anything together, I merely cited an article, which itself doesn't qualify as "proof," per se; it merely provides supporting evidence. Evidence which is, in any case, disputable.

Do you have any evidence that he wasn't - or couldn't have been - involved? At the very least, given the available information it seems well within the realm of possibility - approaching likelihood - in my opinion.

Thanks for adding more proof that he is no threat.

I didn't "pro[ve]" that he's "no threat." Nor did I prove that he is a "threat," for that matter. I merely indicated that the existence of a formal military force or presence of military hardware doesn't, by any means, provide a distinct measure of the potential threat posed.

In fact, I'd describe the relationship as distinctly nonlinear, given the old saw that "Where there's a will, there's a way." Cases in point might well include al Qaeda, Hamas, the ilk of Timothy McVeigh, etc.

As for Saddam's yes, half-assed (I'm not sure if the language or the characterization offends you; perhaps both) miliary force - which again provides more, not less, impetus for which terrorism may be his foreign policy vehicle of choice - that's soon to be a nonevent.

And I support efforts toward that end completely.

Military planners favor February
By Rowan Scarborough
The Washington Times

U.S. military planners are focusing on February as the optimum time to begin a war against Iraq, and they would rely greatly on defecting Iraqi units to topple Saddam Hussein, according to senior defense officials.

Planners also will seek to design a force buildup that takes weeks, not the six months the exercise took in the 1991 Persian Gulf war. Troops would be more widely dispersed so as not to create large base camps that could be more easily targeted by Saddam's mobile Scud missiles. The Pentagon has not adopted a final time frame or military option.

The military also is looking at ways to hit as many targets from the air as possible in the opening days of the campaign. Commanders will depend on Tomahawk cruise missiles and B-2 bombers, committing 10 to 16 of the stealth aircraft, each of which can drop more than a dozen 2,000-pound satellite-guided bombs on different targets.

Once Iraq's estimated 60-plus surface-to-air missile sites are destroyed, B-52s and B-1s would join the war, also dropping precision-guided weapons on critical command centers and Saddam's known headquarters. The bombers will fly from the United States, the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia and an air base in Fairford, England.

The senior defense officials said a war plan is emerging from U.S. Central Command and the Joint Chiefs of Staff's Joint Staff, with input from Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

"He is not afraid to offer his opinion," an official said of Mr. Rumsfeld.

Much of the debate centers on the size of the U.S. force — the number of ground troops, combat aircraft and Navy carrier battle groups. The officials said the U.S. troop size ranges from 75,000 to 250,000 soldiers.

Officials say Gen. Tommy G. Franks, who heads U.S. Central Command and would run the war, advocates a relatively large ground presence, although not nearly as large as the 550,000 troops deployed for Operation Desert Storm in the 1991 war. Vice President Richard B. Cheney and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz are said to favor a smaller force. Mr. Rumsfeld is described as advocating a medium-strength force.

"The generals always worry about risks to the troops," said a senior defense official, explaining why uniformed officers want a large number of ground forces.

Mr. Rumsfeld told the House Armed Services Committee on Wednesday that the U.S. military has sufficient forces to fight and win in Iraq, if President Bush ordered such an operation.

"We would not be short of troops," Mr. Rumsfeld testified. "You don't know how long something's going to last or what it's going to require. You can't know that, because the first thing that goes by the board is a plan in a conflict."

Two defense sources said that February would be the most likely time to strike, with hostilities over by no later than April. This would give United States and its allies optimum fighting weather before the oppressive heat of the Persian Gulf spring and summer sets in.

Officials said the timeline has not been approved and that Mr. Bush has not agreed to a plan. The presence of weapons inspectors from the United Nations inside Iraq could be a stumbling block and could prevent Mr. Bush from ordering an attack on his timetable.

In Afghanistan, the United States relied heavily on indigenous anti-Taliban fighters to win the war.

In Iraq, America would rely on defectors and dissidents within Saddam's army, two senior officials said.

"We know the names of every division commander," a military officer said. "The Iraqi Army and the Iraqi people want to get rid of Saddam. What they need is us as an enabling force."


Mr. Rumsfeld told the House panel that there's "no question but that there would be Iraqis who would be helping to liberate their own country."

Once U.S. cruise missiles and heavy bombers suppress Iraq's air defenses, tactical aircraft from land bases and Navy carriers would swoop in to hit military targets, such as the six-division Republican Guard.

The Persian Gulf states of Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar will allow U.S. aircraft to launch.

One defense official said that closer military ties being cemented between Washington and other Gulf states is one reason Saudi officials this week raised the possibility that the U.S. military would be able to use Prince Sultan air base for an attack. Riyadh worries that it may become less relevant to U.S. security concerns and has backtracked from its earlier position that the sprawling facility would be off-limits for any U.S. assault on Baghdad.

The official also said Mr. Rumsfeld's decision this summer to allow pilots to bomb command sites — not just radars and missile sites — in Iraq's southern and northern no-fly zones "is a prelude to war."

This official confirmed that many senior policy-makers believe a war with Iraq will be quick, won in weeks not months, if the right strategy is adopted. They based this prediction on Iraq's weakened military since 1991 and big U.S. advances in surveillance and precision-guided weapons.

In testimony on Wednesday, Mr. Rumsfeld seemed to agree with that assessment when he answered a question about whether Israel would be vulnerable to Iraqi missile attacks after a U.S. strike on Saddam's forces.

Mr. Rumsfeld said, "With respect to Israel, there is no question but that Iraq's neighbors, were there to be a conflict, would have a degree of vulnerability. And there's also no question but that that would probably not last for a very long time."

At a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing yesterday, Sen. John W. Warner, Virginia Republican, asked whether there was a "significant level of dissent" among the Joint Chiefs and combatant commanders about the U.S. military's preparedness to go to war against Iraq.

"Senator Warner, I'll just keep it real short: Absolutely not," said Gen. Richard B. Myers, Joint Chiefs chairman.

Mr. Wolfowitz, a strong advocate of military action to topple Saddam, yesterday compared the Iraqi dictator with Osama bin Laden, who ordered the September 11 attacks on America.

"When people threaten openly to kill Americans, we should take them very seriously," he told a joint congressional intelligence committee. "That is true of Osama bin Laden, and it is true of the regime in Baghdad."



To: Thomas M. who wrote (14672)9/20/2002 10:26:25 AM
From: LPS5  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 93284
 
How would you characterize this article? Lies and propaganda?

Why might you hypothesize that an Iraqi official would not only admit, but defend, their support of terrorism? And how far of a leap is it to consider that the US, too, might be a target of such support?

Iraq defends aid to bombers
by Joyce Howard Price
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 25, 2002

Iraq's ambassador to the United Nations yesterday defended his country's aid to families of Palestinian suicide-bombers, saying the payments are an expression of Arab solidarity.

"Those are human beings without any resources. Those are our brothers who live in a very difficult situation," Mohammed A. Aldouri said in a television interview.

"This is our solidarity with our people in Palestine, so certainly we have to give them a hand to help them overcome their problems," he said.

Meanwhile, the mysterious death in Baghdad last week of the notorious Palestinian terrorist known as Abu Nidal revived suspicions about Iraq's role in international terrorism even as President Bush begins to make the case for military action to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

The London Sunday Telegraph, in a report published today, said Abu Nidal was murdered by order of Saddam after resisting the dictator's pressure to train Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda fighters who fled to northern Iraq from Afghanistan.

Saddam, who has said suicide attacks are a "legitimate means" against Israel, has paid up to $25,000 to families of Palestinian suicide-bombers since the Israeli-Palestinian clashes began in September 2000. Saddam has said such attacks are acceptable when perpetrated "by a people whose land is being occupied."

His U.N. ambassador, Mr. Aldouri, was asked on CNN yesterday whether Iraq is encouraging more suicide-bombers by offering the bounties.

"We are not seeing it from this side. We are seeing only our solidarity with our people and Palestine, who are suffering, who need all kinds of help," the Iraqi ambassador replied in the interview on "Novak, Hunt & Shields."

More than two dozen anti-Israeli bombings have occurred during the 22-month Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which has claimed more than 2,400 lives overall. The latest was the Aug. 4 bombing of a bus near the town of Safad, in northern Israel, which killed nine and wounding 50 others.

The United States has said repeatedly the Palestinians must end suicide-bombings if they are ever to return to the peace table with Israelis.

Mr. Aldouri maintained that Iraq seeks peace, not war, with the United States. He pledged that Baghdad would not attack Israel, even if the United States went to war with Iraq.

The ambassador said Iraq no longer has long-range missiles capable of reaching Israel, such as the Scud missiles Saddam repeatedly used to attack the Jewish state during the 1991 Persian Gulf war.

Some in Congress have warned that Baghdad would attack Israel, as it did in 1991, if the United States launches a pre-emptive strike against Iraq.

Democrats and some Republicans worry that Saddam would retaliate by using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons against U.S. troops as well as Israel.

But Mr. Aldouri said Iraq could not and would not attack Israel.

"I don't think we have a long-range Scud missile. We don't have that. I think we are obliged to have very short-range missiles," Mr. Aldouri said.

Asked if Iraq would use the missiles against Israel if attacked by the United States, he said: "We cannot reach Israel and we have no intention to do that."

Mr. Aldouri contended that Iraq's missiles can travel "only 150 kilometers," about 93 miles. Israel is 250 miles away.

Mr. Aldouri's remarks were far less volatile and defiant than those of Saddam, who warned two weeks ago that the United States and any other country that tried to attack Iraq would face "disgraceful" military defeat and so much death they would be forced to "carry their coffins on their backs."

When asked what Saddam meant by the latter statement, the Iraqi ambassador said: "What our president wanted to say is we will defend ourselves, we will defend our sovereignty, we will defend our people by all means we have that there will be death there will be a lot of atrocities we know the meaning of war. We don't want this war."

The Bush administration contemplates military action because it believes the Iraqi dictator is developing weapons of mass destruction in violation of U.N. sanctions imposed after the Gulf war. President Bush has called Saddam an "enemy" who is a threat both to his neighbors and to the world.

Although Mr. Aldouri said Baghdad would use all means at its disposal to resist a U.S. assault, he said Iraq's military capability was limited. He strongly denied it has nuclear weapons.

As for whether Iraq would allow the return of U.N. weapons inspectors to determine if it is complying with the U.N. ban on developing weapons of mass destruction, Mr. Aldouri placed conditions on any such return. He said there first needs to be a full discussion of what still has to be done to enable U.N. sanctions to be lifted.

A top Iraqi intelligence official told reporters last week that Abu Nidal, whose assumed name means "father of the struggle," entered Iraq illegally and plotted to kill Saddam. The Palestinian terror chief shot himself when Iraqi security agents went to his apartment to arrest him, the official said.

Iraqi dissidents abroad and members of Abu Nidal's group, Fatah-Revolutionary Council, disputed the Iraqi version.

They said the terrorist, whose real name was Sabri Banna, was killed by Iraqi intelligence agents because he refused to cooperate with Saddam on terror plans.

The London Sunday Telegraph, in its report today, said Abu Nidal, 65, was murdered on Saddam's orders after resisting the Iraqi dictator's request that he train al Qaeda fighters in Iraq. Saddam also wanted Abu Nidal to carry out attacks against the United States and its allies, the Telegraph reported, quoting unnamed Western diplomats.

The Telegraph quoted a U.S. official with access to intelligence on the death as saying: "There is no doubt that Abu Nidal was murdered on Saddam's orders. He paid the price for not cooperating with Saddam's wishes."

Iraqi opposition groups said Abu Nidal had been in Baghdad for months as Saddam's personal guest, and was being treated for a mild form of skin cancer.

U.S. officials last week revealed that some members of bin Laden's al Qaeda terror network had relocated to northern Iraq and linked up with Iraqi intelligence officials.

Facing the prospect of a U.S. military campaign to overthrow him, Saddam "was keen to combine Abu Nidal's expertise with the enthusiasm of al Qaeda's fanatical fighters to carry out a fresh wave of terror attacks," the Telegraph reported.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld last week said it was not likely al Qaeda members could have entered Iraq without Saddam's knowledge.

"There are al Qaeda in a number of locations in Iraq," Mr. Rumsfeld told reporters. "In a vicious, repressive dictatorship that exercises near-total control over its population, it's very hard to imagine that the government is not aware of what is taking place in the country."

Mr. Aldouri said Iraqi officials "have no relationship of any kind" with al Qaeda or the ousted Taliban regime in Afghanistan, adding that Baghdad was not involved in any way in the September 11 terrorist attacks.

"Those allegations are completely false," he said.