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To: GST who wrote (147859)	9/21/2002 4:24:01 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

And for the past year the whole world pulled away from any kind of coalition with us because of our policy. Pulled away from what? You erroneously assume that a year ago there was a coalition willing to support "disarm or else". It didn't exist. They haven't "pulled away" from anything. Rather they have moved from, at best, ambivalence toward Iraq nearly all the way TO support for "disarm or else." The Security Council will NOT back a policy of regime change -- but they will support a policy of disarmament or else. What the hell do you think the "or else" is? Seems pretty obvious - if he does not disarm, he will be forcibly disarmed AND removed. Do you really think he could maintain his grip on power in Iraq after a UN sponsored invasion. And even if you think he could, why would you think the UN should leave him in power? BTW, Bill didn't ask you to explain again what you believe you know about what goes on in foreign policy circles. Why would he? He's probably getting tired of you fallacy-filled "explanations" anyway. No, he challenged you to produce a direct quote from a reliable source where Cheney said the United States WILL invade a disarmed Iraq. It's a simple request.

To: GST who wrote (147859)	9/21/2002 5:00:51 PM
From: Bill Harmond	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

>>walking you through the issue is tiring me out, etc... You must sit there surrounded by mirrors. >>Cheney himself was asked point-blank on television if Iraq was completely disarmed, is it US policy to invade anyway -- and he answered 'yes', that is the policy of President Bush and this Administration, we will invade Iraq anyway and pursue regime change even if Iraq is completely disarmed. Lifting your own words, "Prove it." Are you here to collaborate or baffle us with BS?