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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (46392)	9/23/2002 1:52:58 PM
From: BigBull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

John, if you REALLY believe that these terrorist movements exist independent of the support of foreign governments, you're deluding yourself. Haaretz is carrying a story today that indicates the Israeli's have captured terrorist cells that were operating in "the territories" or Israel proper that were directly trained by the Iraqi govt. I guess the "no war with Iraq" folks would now stop Americans from traveling to Israel lest an American get killed by one of these groups and give the US a "smoking gun" casus belli. So where does it stop? IDF officers to brief CIA on terror cell that trained in Iraq By Amos Harel, Ha'aretz Correspondent and Ha'aretz Service haaretzdaily.com A delegation of senior IDF officers has left for Washington in order to brief the CIA on a Palestinian terror cell discovered in Israel that had trained at military camps in Iraq. The cell, composed of three members who underwent terrorist training in Iraq, was sent to Israel in order to gather information, but might have also had orders to carry out attacks. The cell members were arrested after trying to return to the West Bank from Iraq. The three belong to a small group called the Arab Liberation Front, which receives orders from Iraq. About one year ago, another Arab Liberation Front cell, operating out of the West Bank city of Ramallah, was captured after planning to carry out an attack at Ben-Gurion International Airport. It seems that the current group was also planning on carrying out an attack at the airport. Security sources say that this is not the first time that Iraq has come up within the context of Palestinian terror. In the past, Iraq has been known to be involved in promoting Palestinian terror, in addition to funneling funds and equipment to Palestinian terror organizations.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (46392)	9/23/2002 2:20:11 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

John, if you REALLY believe that these terrorist movements exist independent of the support of foreign governments, you're deluding yourself. Nothing like a friendly post to start my afternoon read of the thread. And how are you, Hawk? Well, if you feel so strongly about this issue, please offer some evidence of government support for Al Q, right now. Not three or four years ago. That's not Hezbollah and not Hamas and not several other groups. Just Al Q. If your reply is that they are all tied together, then I ask for evidence? Not something on the level of we think Atta met with Iraqi agents, but something that is supportable. As for Al Q being a kind of coordination center, I've read that, too. But that hardly means that every group labeled "terrorist" by someone is a part of that coordination. That would require, again, a bit of evidence. SH's nature is to do whatever he thinks he can get away with, as well as that which adds to his prestige (or fearful respect). And so long as we're willing to permit him to "get away with it", he'll continue to be a thorn in our side in greater and greater degrees.. I gather the use of "nature" language is to get this issue beyond the point of debate. You have it on good authority and don't wish to discuss it. However, if you look at his actual behavior rather than his "nature", he seems to care far more about survival than being a thorn, and, apparently a great many military experts agree, far too toothless to be much of a military threat. As for the rest of your thunderbolts you seem to love to hoist, that's not a conversation, just shouting.