To: one_less who wrote (59545 ) 9/23/2002 4:09:20 PM From: Lane3 Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 82486 This seems uncharacteristic of you. So I was just wondering what it was about the descriptions that drove you to this extreme of judgement. Maybe Shootie was, indeed, talking about your example, I don't know, but I wasn't. I was echoing a point by Shootie that I though warranted my amen. It was his point and I used his vocabulary. As far as I was concerned, we had changed the subject. I can understand that, from your POV, the subject was still your original point. But, if all this sounds uncharacteristic of me, it's because I was off on a tangent. Anyway, Shootie made the point better in his follow-up post when he said "vile personality traits are always there, they are often suppressed for the moment. No more. No less." I agreed with that. Do you disagree? To get back to your point about the guy with the character flaw, I think that we have been in agreement all along that we have people, real people, and we have views or aspects of their personalities, temperament, character, skill sets, etc. that different people see differently in different venues. To people who know them from different venues, they may not seem like the same person. I think that you and I are OK so far. So we have two things. One is the person, himself. The other is the view of the person, of which there may be many. People and views. Now we bring character flaws into the discussion. Does the character flaw apply to the person or to the view? The flaw attaches to the person. The person may not reveal that flaw in every view, but the person still has the flaw. He may not reveal the flaw in a given view because he is successfully hiding it or because the circumstances of that venue do not bring it out. But he still has the flaw. And that is my point. Regardless of the view through which you or I might see that person, the person, himself, has the flaw. Now, as character flaws go, I think a propensity for sports scuffles one of the nastier ones. Others might rate it differently. I don't like it because it is both unnecessary and damaging and just plain stupid. In the maturation process, we are supposed to learn perspective and to deal constructively with all aspects of the competitive processes of life. I don't see any excuse for getting into sports scuffles.