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To: Bill Harmond who wrote (148092)	9/25/2002 7:53:58 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Respond to of 164684

I think Powell knows how to negotiate. What do you think? JL: Does that mean that if Saddam Hussein lives up to his UN obligations - however unlikely that is - he can stay in power? CP: I think we'll have to wait and see. We'll have to see how he responds to the pressure he is under from the international community. I think what we saw over the last two weeks following President Bush's powerful speech at the UN on 12 September and the support he received from other nations and the pressure that generated on Iraq [was that] Iraq suddenly on the following Monday announced that they would let the inspectors in without conditions. Now, this wasn't a sudden change of mind on their part that, "Oh, gee, we're now going to be forthcoming" or "Why didn't somebody tell us that you wanted inspectors in?", it was a direct response to pressure - that pressure has to be maintained on Iraq until the UN is satisfied that he has got rid of these weapons or allowed inspectors in to make sure of that. It's the only way to do it. And then we'll see whether or not that's adequate or whether more action is required. We really believe this is a test of the UN's resolve, a test of, frankly, the UN's mandate and purpose, and if the UN does not meet this test then it doesn't mean we can look away. The president reserves his option to defend the US and our interests as indicated by the threat that we might be facing from Iraq. news.bbc.co.uk

To: Bill Harmond who wrote (148092)	9/25/2002 10:22:21 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 164684

Nobody cares about what happens to Saddam. Even the Arabs want him dead. Nobody cares Bill. Nobody opposes his death. Nobody. That is why you must stop being so foolish about ignoring the flaw in our policy. If the whole world wants him dead why don't they want us to kill him? This is what I have tried more or less patiently to explain to you. The whole world sees the US entering am extremely dangerous new period in US foreign policy -- do you not understand that? Do you not understand why? Do you not understand why even Blair had to distance himself from our policy? You want to pretend that none of this has happened. You want to pretend that everything is on track and makes sense. Fine. Pretend if you like. But this is NOT about WMD, Iraq or Saddam. It is about US foreign policy and the implications for the whole world and the international law which holds it together. Cheney stated the WRONG GOAL and now we must correct that. We have not completed this process, although there is movement in that direction. The whole world is waiting to see if the US meant what it said about regime change as a goal rather than disarmament -- the signals are still mixed and the last definitive word was from Cheney. Now we are in the grey zone of mixed messages. If we get it right this time and state clearly that REGIME CHANGE IS NOT THE PRIMARY GOAL, then we will have the whole world on our side. That has not be done yet.