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To: KLP who wrote (47014)9/26/2002 1:02:13 AM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Kuwait Exercise Puts Marines Where They Want to Be
By TONY PERRY, TIMES STAFF WRITER
hughhewitt.com

KUWAIT CITY -- For the next month, the 1,000 combat Marines from Camp Pendleton who arrived here Tuesday by sea will be deployed where they say they want to be at times of crisis: at "the pointy end of the spear."

"I'm out here doing the job I always wanted to do," said Sgt. Brian Collins, 27, of rural Kansas. "We're trained to move fast and shoot fast. If called, that's what we'll do."







On the same trackless desert where U.S. forces routed the Iraqi army in 1991, troops of the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit will conduct live-fire, day-and-night exercises to sharpen skills learned at a desert fighting facility near Twentynine Palms in San Bernardino County. A similar exercise was held in recent weeks at an undisclosed nation in the Persian Gulf region.

Although the Kuwaiti exercise, dubbed Eager Mace, was planned months ago, the escalating tension between the United States and Iraq has put the Marines at center stage of a geopolitical hot spot with an uncertain future.

The Marines say they wouldn't want it any other way.

"It's awesome to be here," said Lance Cpl. Jason Hardy, 20, of Las Vegas. "We're trained and we're ready."

Most of the enlisted Marines were in school during Operation Desert Storm. Some have sought out veterans of that 1991 campaign to hear what combat was like.

Cpl. Toby Reveles, 21, of Moreno Valley said a sergeant told him it was a lot like training, just much noisier. Reveles said he considers the current tension a lucky break.

"I envied the guys from the 15th [Marine Expeditionary Unit] when they got to go to Afghanistan," Reveles said. "I wished I could have been there, but now maybe we'll get our chance."

When the joint exercise between Marines and the Kuwaiti military was planned, the goal was to bolster this desert emirate's sense of security.

"We were sent here to show the Kuwaitis that we will never let 1990 [when Iraq invaded unopposed] happen again," said Staff Sgt. Stephen Bright, 32, of Port Orchard, Wash. "Now things are different."

The speed at which a U.S.-Iraq showdown appears to be approaching has taken aback some Marines. TV news is available only sparingly on ship, newspapers arrive days late, and Internet access is limited.

Many Marines and sailors say they have learned most of what they know about the conflict from e-mails sent by relatives and by that ever-present mode of military communication: scuttlebutt.

"It really surprised me," said Lance Cpl. Israel Martinez, 28, of Big Spring, Texas. "I try to keep my mind focused on the training and not let the news get me all riled up. My wife is concerned, though."

For some more experienced sailors and Marines, the mission here is deja vu. Russ Lindemann, command master chief aboard the dock landing ship Mount Vernon, noted that the last time he was in Kuwait was during Desert Storm.

"Ten years later, the same place, the same old problem," he said while howitzers, tanks and light-armored vehicles were being unloaded from the vessel for a convoy to a site near Camp Doha, the Army's rapidly expanding facility.

But for some of the youngest personnel, the trip to Kuwait City is new, with few reference points. As the Mount Vernon anchored briefly offshore, several sailors intently scanned the skyline of the capital, which is dominated by spires and radio towers.

"It looks like something out of the Jetsons," said Machinist's Mate Nicholas Richardson, 20, of Dallas.

For all the expressed eagerness of the young Marines, there were also expressions of hope that the high-profile exercise will act as a deterrent to war, a reminder to Iraqis of what happened the last time they met U.S.-led forces in combat.

One infantry officer, who is reading the works of Chinese philosopher and military strategist Sun Tsu, was struck by his dictum that the wise general finds a way to win a war without fighting.

"Good advice," he said.

Cmdr. Steven Ritchie, commanding officer of the Mount Vernon, said he hoped two warships and a thousand Marines would get the attention of President Saddam Hussein and other Iraqis.

"We're showing the flag," he said. "By putting Marines ashore, we're sending a signal to everyone about American resolve." But if that signal is not received, said Ritchie, a veteran of Desert Storm, the U.S. military has other options.

"In order for deterrence to be successful, sometimes you have to swing the bat," Ritchie said. "If we're ordered, we'll swing it and swing it hard."



To: KLP who wrote (47014)9/26/2002 5:07:20 AM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi KLP; Re the headline: "Iraq Providing Shelter, Chemical Weapons Help to Al Qaeda"

If Al Qaeda has all this help from Iraq, and Iraq has all these chemical weapons and WMDs, then where are the attacks by terrorists using WMDs? The WTC attackers used knives.

For that matter, if the Taliban controlled Afghanistan, and Afghanistan was filled to the gills with RPGs and anti-aircraft weapons, and the Taliban gave support to Al Qaeda, then where are the incidents of attacks on aircraft using stuff like Stinger missiles?

This whole thing smells funny. Back when it was not clear that Iraq was uninvolved with the WTC attack, I was in favor of bringing down Iraq as well as Afghanistan. And with the approval of the whole world, it would have been militarily and diplomatically easy. I stated this on SI:

Bilow, September 15, 2001
Hi Rich1; If we go to Afghanistan or Iraq, we will kick their butts. These countries are run by a few people who have deluded themselves into thinking that they can resist the military might of the West. They were deluded when they tried this with Saddam's elite Republican Guard tank force (which had conquered the vast forces of Iran) in the Gulf War, and now they believe that if they fight us in the mountains and towns they'll reverse the verdict. Due to advances in weapons technology that we have and they don't they will again be destroyed at relatively low casualty rates for ourselves. (But likely worse than the ~300 we lost in the Gulf War.)
...
These are deluded fanatics we are up against. They are not the polished war machine of the highly efficient 3rd Reich. They are not the 1.5 billion highly industrialized Communists, walking in lockstep unison. All the neighboring countries want to help us. They can't even make airplanes. Afghanistan doesn't even have TV. This is not at all a "fair" fight. Don't worry about it.
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Since then it has become clear that Iraq had less to do with the attack on the WTC than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Germany did, and so our justification for attacking them melted away, as did my support for it. But now I'm beginning to question exactly how much support the Taliban gave Al Qaeda. It seems that logic would suggest that the Taliban did not give Al Qaeda full support. This is not to say that we were unjustified in destroying the Taliban, but only to note that the Taliban probably thought that they could keep Al Qaeda under control, and thereby escape the full wrath of the outside world. In any case, the fact is that these Islamic Terrorists are sadly under supplied with terror weapons.

-- Carl



To: KLP who wrote (47014)9/26/2002 11:35:02 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 281500
 
News out tonight: Rice: Iraq Providing Shelter, Chemical Weapons Help to Al Qaeda
Wednesday, September 25, 2002


This is interesting because they have not asserted it before but it is still their style, assertions without evidence. Perhaps it will change. This doesn't.