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Politics : Attack Iraq? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (1662)9/26/2002 10:05:28 AM
From: Thomas M.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
So, regime change is the goal. What did we say about regime change in Iraq a few years ago?

<<< To avoid alienating Saddam Hussein, the State Department was careful to balance its criticism of Iraq by also condemning Iran: "The United States finds the present Iranian regime's intransigent refusal to deviate from its avowed objective of eliminating the legitimate government of neighboring Iraq to be inconsistent with the accepted norms of behavior among nations." In later years, the State Department came to adopt Iran's "regime change" policy as its own, presumably revising its definition of "acceptable norms of behavior" in the process. >>>

fair.org

To summarize, when Saddam has chemical weapons, and uses them against Iran, Iran CANNOT be allowed to oust Saddam. Though Saddam no longer has chemical weapons, and has never used them against the U.S. (even in the case of direct America attack on Iraq), the U.S. MUST oust Saddam at all costs.

Tom



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (1662)9/26/2002 12:39:12 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 8683
 
Never mind that ignoramus Craepstein... Islam's got nothing to do with Palestinian suicide bombers. It's not a religious thing. After all, even female suicide bombers have popped up recently. Does the Quran tell anything about 72 virgin ephebes for martyr women???

See, that's the problem with Judeofascists like Craepstein --they just don't take the trouble to learn anything about other cultures/religions... They only read and watch what their fellow crapmongers make up.

From an angel of mercy to angel of death

Her family recall a lively tomboy. But, drawn to martyrdom, she became the first female suicide bomber to strike Israel

Peter Beaumont in Ramallah
Thursday January 31, 2002
The Guardian


Wafa Idrees was a model young woman, according to her relatives and friends. She was a good friend, a loving daughter and a social activist who always helped her neighbours in times of trouble.

She was a volunteer first aider with the Palestinian Red Crescent in Ramallah, a stretcher-bearer who went into the thick of the fighting every Friday to recover Palestinian youths injured - and sometimes killed - in the fighting around the city's main "clash points". Twice in the past year, the Red Crescent said yesterday, she had been hit by plastic-coated bullets fired by Israeli soldiers.

But on Sunday, Wafa Idrees decided on a different, very lethal kind of activism. She rushed from her home that morning, telling her family she was late for work but would see them when she returned.

Instead, she picked up a 10kg bomb packed into a rucksack, strapped it to her back and went to Jerusalem. There, just before lunch, she ran out from an alley and detonated the explosives in Jaffa Street, a Jewish neighbourhood of west Jerusalem full of shops and restaurants. She blew herself to pieces, killed an elderly bystander and injured 100 others.
[...]

guardian.co.uk



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (1662)9/26/2002 1:17:17 PM
From: epsteinbd  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
Fine, fin,fine, Len. So you think that Palestinians martyrs exploding DO NOT go to paradise, Garden on Eden, golden girls with perfect hymens saying amen (not A men!), etc .

Am I right, Len ?



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (1662)9/26/2002 3:42:39 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
Do you really want to associate with Gustov Jackass?

GZ



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (1662)9/26/2002 11:44:48 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
BuzzFlash presents The Angry Liberal

IRAQ: THE MANUFACTURED CRISIS OF THE CENTURY

len,

Some sane voices are beginning to come out, and be very angry about Bush's betrayal of the U.S. and the entire planet:

buzzflash.com

September 26, 2002

Bush and Iraq: Wagging the Whole Damn Planet

by The Angry Liberal

"Give me a place to stand and a lever long enough, and I will move the Earth."

Archimedes

"Give me a dictator to attack . . . and a crisis to hide behind . . . and I will tip the Senate."

George W. Bush***

For the past several months, George W. Bush has been in big trouble. After watching repeated bombings of what appeared to be barren hills and tight shots of dazed Afghans staring at piles of rubble where their homes once stood, Americans were losing interest in the "war" on terrorism. This could spell disaster for the Bush administration and Republicans. After all, if voters aren't distracted by armed conflict, they might start to think about the state of America. Issues like the economy, corporate corruption, pollution, and prescription drug costs might begin to creep back onto the American Top 40. Bush has already dealt with the economy as much as he cares to, firing his tax-cut pop gun in the air and declaring victory. Bush is up to his eyeballs in the corporate corruption scandal, having a long personal record of sleazy business dealings and a history of investigations of both himself and others in his administration. Bush's campaign is well-financed by polluters who can't sleep through the night unless their goal of destroying all life on earth by the end of the century is met. And affordable prescription drugs would cost Bush's friends in the drug industry a fortune, as well as prolong the lives of old people who would want their Social Security trust fund cash. Since Bush blew the trust fund on his rich friends in the form of tax cuts, there's nothing left to give these geezers. The point is that without a crisis to distract us Americans from our real problems, Bush and the Republicans who are up for re-election have a lot less than nothing to run on. They support positions that aggravate most of American's real problems. So what's a president to do? If only there were another war to "unite" (read: distract) the country . . .

Friends, I give you the manufactured crisis of the century. Take a scumbag dictator who's been on a very short leash for a decade, add a pinch of terrorist rhetoric, and allow the mixture to simmer in the hot summer sun for a couple of months in the heads of uneasy Americans, and voila! Saddam Hussein must be stopped! Again! Of course nobody is sure exactly what it is we must stop him from doing, but who has time for little details like that when we are preparing to go to war?

Speaking of details, let's discuss a few of them that have been completely overlooked up to this point:

Saddam supports al-Qaida, doesn't he?

Despite the Bush administration's best efforts to find it, there is no known evidence of a direct connection between Iraq and al-Qaida. I'll repeat that: There is no known evidence of a direct connection between Iraq and al-Qaida. Bush says he has some, pointing to Joe McCarthy's famous briefcase. Just for the record, indirect connections won't do it here, folks. Don't get suckered by a scenario in which Saddam Hussein's pool man once dated Osama bin Laden's hairdresser. If we want to build a case of terrorist connections based on association, we would be bombing Crawford and Kennibunkport before we bombed Baghdad. Does anybody in America really think that if Dubya actually had evidence of this connection, he would hesitate for a minute to make it public? Fat chance. If Bush had anything on Hussein, we'd be watching a live shot of Christiane Amanpour in a flak jacket on CNN right now. The problem for Bush is that lying about specific information has fallen flat as of late. Remember when State Department official, John Bolton, accused Cuba of developing a program to manufacture biological weapons? Former President Jimmy Carter shot that fabrication down the next day. It's better to just lie about having evidence than to make up a specific charge that can be checked out. Bush has evidence, he just can't share it with anybody.

Yeah, but what if Iraq has a nuclear bomb?

This wouldn't be a good thing. But the Bush administration has no evidence that Hussein has nuclear capability. The Institute for Strategic Studies issued a report a couple of weeks ago stating the following:

"Baghdad retains a strong interest in developing nuclear weapons, but it seems unlikely that Iraq has produced, or is close to producing, nuclear weapons from indigenously produced nuclear material."

The same report claims that Iraq could build a nuke "within months" if it could obtain refined nuclear material. The funny thing is that just a year ago, the Bush administration was so unconcerned with this prospect, it planned to cut spending on the cooperative nuclear security programs with Russia and the other independent states of the former Soviet Union by $100 million, or 32%, over the FY '01. That's right, Bush's FY '02 budget contained a 32% cut in the programs that keep Saddam Hussein from purchasing or stealing the very bomb-making materials that Bush is now willing to go to war over. After September 11, the Bush clowns quietly restored the funding cut and sent Condoleezza Rice around the country to lie about it. But one fact is certain: there is no evidence that Iraq will have a bomb anytime soon.

But we don't know that for sure!

Right you are! This is why we should send U.N. weapons inspectors back into Iraq. Hussein has indicated his willingness to accept the inspectors without conditions. Although he is probably just stalling, we should call his bluff and send the good guys back in. If there are any problems, we' ll talk about military action at that point. This process doesn't appeal to the Bush administration, though. They are no longer interested in simply verifying that Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction. Inspections or no, they want Hussein gone. Bush's flock of chicken hawks is giddy over the prospect of killing tens of thousands of Iraqi conscripts and thousands of Iraqi civilians because Bush doesn't like the man who rules over them. The misery that George W. Bush can't wait to inflict upon the Iraqi people is unimaginable to Americans. Is there any decent person in America who wouldn't want to explore every other avenue before unleashing the world's most efficient killing machine on another country? The answer to this question is clearly "No." The scary implication is that if recent polls are to believed, America is running out of decent people.

So if we don't have any evidence that Saddam Hussein is involved with al-Qaida, is close to developing a nuke, or will hamper the U.N. inspection teams, why do we need to overthrow him?

Bush's implied answer to this question is simple: Who cares? Whether we kill fifty thousand Iraqis or stop short of war is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Americans are talking about nothing else. Remember the crumbling economy? Corporate corruption? Pollution and climate change? Prescription drugs? Neither does anyone else. We're all way too busy with talk of war to worry about real issues, and Bush knows damn well that Republicans do better in elections when there is a war to worry about.

After al-Qaida's attack on the USS Cole, Republicans spun President Clinton's response attack as a ploy to change the subject from Monica Lewinsky. Right now, friends, George W. Bush is not merely "wagging the dog" with talk of war. He's wagging the whole damn planet.

. . .The Angry Liberal

***Alright, Bush never really said this, but I'm sure if it appeared on a teleprompter, he'd rattle it right off.

Write The Angry Liberal at: thebigcheese@theangryliberal.com