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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (59965)	9/26/2002 4:42:23 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"What you are suggesting, it seems to me, is that a basic social norm (here my discussion with Neo pokes its head in) is conformity of behavior and discouragement of individuality." First let me say I agree with your "survival" premise. However, the above does not represent my suggestion at all. Define public education. Not what you would like it to be but what its intended goal is. If it is anything other than a system of indoctrinating youth toward a particular kind of adult model lets start with that. If the intent is to create a base of knowledge, skills, and abilities for the participants, then why should we complicate it with personal or political agendas that would contaminate that unnecessarily?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (59965)	9/26/2002 4:45:05 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Basic social norms. Do they really have anything to do with goodness? Not likely. They seem to have everything to do with orderliness. Is that your "good"? (When I say your, I do not mean you, whoever you are, I mean "your" generally, I put this in for those who might not be able to understand that on their own, whoever those people might be, and where ever they may be) If order is your "good", then I suppose social norms are "moral"- but only in the most relative sense. When do you know the social norm is not moral? IMO that is a bitter question, and an unsolvable one. There will always be conflict between people who want to look internally for guidance, and people who want to follow social norms. I do not see how the two opposite positions can be reconciled.