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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Neocon who wrote (60107)9/27/2002 4:40:36 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
Not all the people in the world who think they are interested parties, ARE interested parties to all the other people of the world. You must realize that the world is divided into meddlesome busybodies, and non-meddlesome busybodies. When you start to talk about "interested parties" I can't help but think of the helpful people who would like to control their neighbors lives, or their coworkers lives, or their "friends" lives. Those people deserve nothing. IMO Any individual can explain themselves if they want to, but I see no duty to do so. I certainly impose no duty on people. If you were (for example) 1/2 hour late to a meeting, and you did not explain, I wouldn't consider you in breach of some duty. I actually have a friend who runs 15 minutes to 30 minutes late, and she doesn't seem to notice it. I like her, so I make allowances, and arrive late myself. Neither one of us explains. The matter is of no importance- imo.

I'm not sure where this idea comes from that you owe people apologies and explanations. One can GIVE these things, but owing them? That seems an odd form of social accounting.



To: Neocon who wrote (60107)9/27/2002 5:20:02 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
at a
minimum, there are interested parties, people affected by the matter, who
deserve an apology and/or explanation.


That's not a reason, that's a statement.

WHY do interested parties deserve that?

cowardice about stating one's case implies doubt about it.

That's piffle. There are many reasons one might not want to state a case. For just one example: for many centuries, homosexual activity was a huge societal taboo. People who engaged in those activities anyhow might not have been cowards, but there might have been very good reasons for them to choose not to try to explain their deviations from the societal norm.

Also, note what X says about agnosticism. In theocratic societies, agnosticism is a violation of the social norm. Would it be cowardly on X's part not to want to subject herself to a huge debate on her reasons for being agnostic?

Basically, my private life is my private life. It's none of your business. Even when you are impacted by my decisions, I don't admit that you have any right to question me about them or demand an explanation. I might choose to give one, because if I don't you might choose not to interact with me in future, and I might decide that giving an explanation is beneficial to me to gain your continued interaction. But I don't accept that you merit it as a matter of right.

You apparently do, but you still don't say why.



To: Neocon who wrote (60107)9/27/2002 5:24:43 PM
From: Poet  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
Hi Neo:

I understand what you're saying and, like most of society, I agree with you. You're a remarkably patient man and frankly, I don't think that allowing yourself to be subjected to hypotheticals for the next couple of weeks by these two is anything but a waste of time.