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To: Lane3 who wrote (60417)	9/30/2002 11:18:58 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I tend to agree with Rand. The intelligent person will realize that there are societial structures which make his or her life, and that of his or her family, more beneficial. Thus, he or she will realize that acts which support the community can be self-serving. This is, effectively, moral capitalism -- each person pursuing their own self-interest will make the whole community stronger.

To: Lane3 who wrote (60417)	10/1/2002 12:03:45 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Rand makes a lot of sense to me, although that doesn't make her books any less wooden (for me). But I like her philosophy. It might not appeal to Neo, and that's ok. Not every philosophy is for everyone. I really enjoy Bertrand Russell and many people can't stand him. So to each their own in the philosophical department, I guess. Of course that doesn't stop any of us from the enlightenedly self interested view that we are all logically correct, and the other fellow is wrong. Nothing wrong with that. Nope nope nope

To: Lane3 who wrote (60417)	1/2/2003 6:27:53 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"For her, the truly selfish person is a self-respecting, self-supporting human being who neither sacrifices others to himself nor sacrifices himself to others. Rand chooses the term "selfish" knowing it will provoke controversy and an examination of virtue. She seems to have avoided essential perspectives on self-sacrifice. I understand and agree with the notion that a self-respecting, self-supporting human being should see no need to sacrifice himself to others nor to sacrifice others to himself. Sacrificing others in order to satisfy some voracious need is abusive, even canabalistic. To sacrifice yourself for the voracious desires of others is likewise depraved. However, she does not consider self-sacrifice from the more traditional perspective. Self sacrifice is usually viewed as a giving up of something worldly in lieu of the higher good. A noble human is willing to sacrifice the comfort of the hearth to toil for the benefit of one's dependants. An honorable human is willing to risk life and limb to defend others against barbaric slaughter at the hands of despotism. These are sacrafices of the self for the good of others as well as for the good of one's soul. Clearly one may also enter such activity knowing it to be detrimental to one's health. Rand seems to have avoided this aspect of the discussion.