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To: samim anbarcioglu who wrote (27324)10/1/2002 8:40:15 AM
From: LarsA  Respond to of 197244
 
samim, before you submit that patent application, you should double-check the speed of light. I remember it as being about that fast - but per second. You know how picky patent lawyers are...
:-)



To: samim anbarcioglu who wrote (27324)10/1/2002 9:46:53 AM
From: RalphCramden  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197244
 
I believe I wrote down in the description that you would use your knowledge of the relative positions of the base station, ground station, and geosynch sat. position to take out, to first order, the differences in path length. But even doing that, you still get degraded accuracy as you move away from the original ground station. The reason for this is that the speed of light in air and in the top of the atmosphere especially varies a little bit from hour to hour and day to day. This is because that speed depends in detail on the density of the air, and in the high atmosphere, the ionosphere, on the density of free electrons. Especially the ionosphere varies quite a bit, with a peak electron density typically at ~2 PM every day (raised by the sunlight) but with the variation being not completely repeatable day to day. In the scheme I proposed, all variations are calibrated out by the round trip measurement the ground station does, but that applies exactly only right at the ground station. As you move away from the ground station, that calibrated out amount becomes less and less exactly accurate, and that is a major part of why accuracy would decrease.

Further, you probably only know the geosynch satellite position to within some number of meters, they move around during their "station keeping." If you don't keep track of that motion, but rather assume in your position fixing algorithm that the geo is always exactly on station, that introduces a position fixing error which is cancelled out right at the ground station, but increases as you move away from the ground station.

And as another reply suggests, the speed of light is indeed 300,000 km/s. Or in English units, 1 foot per nanosecond.

To the moon, or at least geosynchronous orbit,
Ralph