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To: zonder who wrote (48906)	10/2/2002 10:18:46 AM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Zonder, 'Some' Human Rights issues in Iraq? You invoke Nigeria as an 'ally'. Yes there are abuses in Nigeria and Turkey (and Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc), this is a problem we have internally on constructive engagement with repressive regimes. But the Europeans do business with anyone and have no compunction (particularly the French and Germans). Apartheid? No problem for Europe. John

To: zonder who wrote (48906)	10/2/2002 2:02:28 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

however, there isn't even a 'right' to intervene, let alone 'obligation'. Such unprovoked aggression of another sovereign country is virtually unprecedented in human history. Good points.

To: zonder who wrote (48906)	10/2/2002 2:33:36 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Such unprovoked aggression of another sovereign country is virtually unprecedented in human history. That's a BIG "virtually", don't you think Zonder?? Afterall, Saddam invaded and devastated Kuwait causing unprecedented (for the region) human, economic, and environmental destruction... And he STILL HASN'T COMPLIED with the terms set forth by the cease-fire agreement when his forces were evicted from that nation. The way I look at it is that the current US action is nothing more than a follow-up to enforcing the cease-fire terms, and failing to accomplish that, re-engaging in the previous conflict in order to obtain a clear and decisive result. You see, for Saddam, the war never ended. It only took a Siesta until a more appropriate time. Hawk

To: zonder who wrote (48906)	10/2/2002 7:42:52 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<< Where there are significant human tragedies being played out, like in Bosnia and in Jewish concentration camps under Hitler, it seems that anyone who is strong enough to stop the bully is morally obligated to intervene. >> What about if we are fairly certain that "significant human tragedies" will occur, if we don't stop it? Should we wait until thousands more die, before we are morally obligated to intervene? Before you answer, if Saddam Hussein is able to develop nuclear weapons, how much do you trust Saddam Hussein not to use his deadly weapons in extortion against other countries?