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To: Bilow who wrote (49025)	10/2/2002 10:09:30 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Umm, Germany is a Democracy. They are bigger than England or France in terms of population and economy. And your point?? Syria is on the UNSC and Germany never has been. And have I said anything that could be construed as saying that every democratic nation has to necessarily agree with the US?? Russia is a permanent member of the UNSC, and a fledgling democracy. But they don't agree with us and that is their right. But they DO understand where we're coming from, and so long as we look out for their interests in the region in exchange, we'll likely find some accomodation. My feeling is that this isn't true, but if you've got links to the early history of the UN I'd love to read them. I just don't have the time right now to go find the appropriate documents myself. My feeling is that all you had to do was look at Article 1 of the UN charter: Article 1 The Purposes of the United Nations are: 1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace; 2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; 3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and 4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends. ****** Now I don't know your definition of "self-determination", and "fundamental freedoms", but IMO that means a government that his popularly elected by the people, not by brute force and repression. It claimed that the big complaint of its citizens now is not the repression, but the corruption. That may have been the part of the problem with South Vietnam. Well, IMO, the corruption has ALWAYS been there... But the fact that the people now feel empowered enough to face down repression and shame their government into halting corruption and enforcing economic rights is a positive sign, just as it is in China. Hawk