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To: FaultLine who wrote (49531)10/5/2002 3:52:18 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Interesting column on SA. from the WP. I have no idea about the author.

washingtonpost.com
Saudi Support Defined
Overthrowing Saddam Hussein should result in the removal of U.S. troops from Saudi Arabia.

By Nawaf Obaid

Saturday, October 5, 2002; Page A21

Saudi Arabia has joined the chorus of nations supporting strong U.N. action against Iraq. The kingdom -- which has spent many years in Saddam Hussein's cross hairs -- has as much cause as any country to fear Iraq's ability to wreak havoc on its neighbors. What's more, eliminating this threat would bring another important prize: the removal of U.S. troops from Saudi soil.

The Saudis have long desired regime change in Iraq but often wondered where the United States stood on this issue. In 1996, when opposition groups staged a revolt in northern Iraq, the United States did not act. The resulting slaughter of these fighters by Hussein's forces undermined Saudi faith in America's commitment to forcibly deal with Hussein.

In recent months, as it became apparent that President Bush was getting serious about Iraq, Saudi reluctance had more to do with the U.S. approach than with any affection for the Iraqi president. The headlong and unilateralist style of the U.S. administration gave the Saudis -- along with nearly every other country in the world -- reason to pause.

Senior Saudi leaders -- especially Crown Prince Abdullah and the minister of defense, Prince Sultan -- wanted to address the Iraq problem with the backing of the rest of the world. This was a key topic at last month's meeting between President Bush and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States. In these discussions, Prince Bandar made clear that if the United States presented a defined strategy to remove the threat Hussein poses, one that included appropriate U.N. Security Council resolutions and a multilateral coalition, the Saudis would back the effort.

So when Bush outlined his plan to the United Nations, the Saudis immediately expressed their support. "All signatories to the U.N. charter, including Saudi Arabia," said the Saudi foreign minister, "are obligated to abide by the decisions of the Security Council." Senior Saudi leaders have begun to build support among their people for coming actions against Iraq.

The task will not be easy. Anti-U.S. sentiment in Saudi Arabia has grown in recent months, fueled by perceived American bias against the Palestinians and reports of the demonization of the kingdom in the American media. But Crown Prince Abdullah and Prince Sultan can draw upon a sizable reserve of domestic support. Prince Sultan began his outreach by visiting Buraida (in the central Qassim region), the hub of Saudi conservatism. Prince Sultan, a powerful leader with influence among those in the religious establishment, is in a good position to make the government's case. In the end, there is every reason to expect at least tacit approval for a campaign against Hussein.

The government's position will be strengthened by the fact that success in Iraq would pave the way for the removal of the U.S. military from Saudi Arabia. American troops are stationed in the kingdom to patrol the no-fly zones and prevent Iraqi aggression; once these threats have passed it is logical that they would leave. It is in the interest of both countries.

The withdrawal of American troops would sit well with Saudis from all walks of life who resent their presence, removing one of the main irritants between the American and Saudi governments. It would also belie the fringe but persistent belief that these 3,000 soldiers remain to protect the royal family against domestic opposition. The absurdity of this notion is clear to anyone who has more than a cursory understanding of Saudi Arabia. If foreign soldiers ever raised arms against the Saudi people, the government that hosted them would instantly lose all legitimacy.

There are those who argue against the evacuation of U.S. troops on the grounds that it would hand Osama bin Laden's supporters a victory by succumbing to his key demand. On the contrary: Such a policy would undermine extremists by strengthening the kingdom and its partnership with the United States. It also would undermine to a certain extent bin Laden's critique of the Saudi government as dependent on the U.S. military. Finally, a withdrawal would improve America's relations not only with Saudi Arabia but also with the entire Muslim world. The presence of U.S. troops on the land that hosts Islam's two holiest sites, in Mecca and Medina, has long rankled Muslims.

Defanging Hussein will bring relief to his neighbors and a semblance of normality to the long-suffering Iraqis. Once the job is complete and U.S. troops leave Saudi Arabia, America's position in the region, its partnership with the kingdom and its relations with the Arab world will be strengthened.

The writer is an oil analyst and author of the forthcoming book "Saudi Arabia Since 9/11."

washingtonpost.com



To: FaultLine who wrote (49531)10/5/2002 12:10:13 PM
From: Win Smith  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Sorry, I just like to give Scott a little credit, to slightly counter the "nyah, nyah, I'm ignoring him" messages from the warblogger faction.



To: FaultLine who wrote (49531)10/6/2002 6:00:48 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Is the American empire already over?

By DOUG SAUNDERS

Saturday, October 5, 2002 – Print Edition, Page F3

All we seem to do these days is argue about the United States. And the arguments are awfully sparse, aren't they? Either our neighbour is the most powerful nation on Earth, a menacing imperialist intruder that we must resist, or it's the most powerful nation on Earth, a beneficial force of democracy and peace that we must join and support.

Let me offer you a new way of thinking about America:

Over.

Under this school of thought, the United States stopped being the world's dominant nation years ago, and has quietly collapsed into being Just Another Country. We haven't really noticed this, the theory goes, because most other countries still act as if the United States has its old military and financial power, an assumption that could be stripped of its invisible clothes in the event of a protracted Iraq war.

This is not a fringe theory. It comes from within the United States, from respected political scientists on the Ivy League campuses. Why does it get such little play? Both the left and the right have their entire houses built on the notion of a fixed and immutable American hegemony, pro- or anti-. Somewhere between these poles is this small community of thinkers, declaring that the end has already occurred.

"The United States has been fading as a global power since the 1970s, and the U.S. response to the terrorist attacks has merely accelerated this decline." So says Immanuel Wallerstein, the Yale University political scientist who is by far the most outspoken member of this camp. A gravelly old contrarian with little time for the orthodoxies of the left or the right, he may have gained his remove by teaching at McGill University in the 1970s.

In a forthcoming book, to be titled Decline of American Power,he describes his country as "a lone superpower that lacks true power, a world leader nobody follows and few respect, and a nation drifting dangerously amidst a global chaos it cannot control."

In his view, America gave up the ghost in 1974, when it admitted defeat in Vietnam and discovered that the conflict had more or less exhausted the gold reserves, crippling its ability to remain a major economic power. It has remained the focus of the world's attention partly for lack of any serious challenger to the greenback for the world's savings, and because it has kept attracting foreign investments at a rate of $1.2-billion (U.S.) per day.

But if it comes to a crunch, the United States can no longer prevail either economically or -- here is the most controversial statement -- militarily. In Mr. Wallerstein's calculus, of the three major wars the United States has fought since the Second World War, one was a defeat and two (Korea and the Gulf War) were draws.

Iraq, he told me recently, would be an end game. "The policy of the U.S. government, which all administrations have been following since the seventies, has been to slow down the decline by pushing on all fronts. The hawks currently in power have to work very, very hard twisting arms very, very tightly to get the minimal legal justification for Iraq that they want now. This kind of thing, they used to get with a snap of the fingers."

You don't have to agree with Mr. Wallerstein's hyperbolic view to be a member of the Over camp -- and many do disagree: When he first brought it up in the journal Foreign Policy this summer, half a dozen editorial writers in the United States attacked him. But more moderate thinkers have joined the club, including Charles Kupchan at Georgetown University, whose forthcoming book The End of the American Era makes a similar point in more subtle terms.

Joseph Nye at Harvard, a friend of Henry Kissinger's, argues in his new book The Paradox of American Power that "world politics is changing in a way that means Americans cannot achieve all their international goals acting alone" -- a tacit acknowledgment of Mr. Wallerstein's thesis.

This is how great powers end: Not by suddenly collapsing, but by quietly becoming Just Another Country. This happened to England around 1873, but it wasn't until 1945 that anyone there noticed.

Outsiders do notice. Spend some time talking to a currency trader or a foreign financier, and you'll glimpse the end of the almighty dollar: Right now, about 70 per cent of the world's savings are in greenbacks, while America contributes about 30 per cent of the world's production -- an imbalance that has been maintained for the past 30 years only because Japan collapsed and Europe took too long to get its house together.

A Japanese CEO told me this in blunt terms the other day: "It was Clinton's sole great success that he kept the world economy in dollars for 10 years longer than anyone thought he would. But nobody's staying in dollars any more."

There are other signs: The middling liberals, who in the 1960s would have sided with the left in opposing U.S. imperialism, are today begging for an empire. Michael Ignatieff, the liberal scholar, argued at length recently that the United States ought to become an imperial force -- on humanitarian grounds. Would this argument be necessary if the United States actually dominated the world?

I'm not sure whether to fully believe the refreshing arguments of Mr. Wallerstein and his friends, but they do have history on their side. In their times, Portugal, Holland, Spain, France and England all woke up to discover, far after the fact, that they were no longer the big global powers, but Just Another Country.

Like the bewildered Englishmen in Robert Altman's Gosford Park, they struggled to maintain their dignity while wondering just what those strange visitors from abroad were talking about.
dsaunders@globeandmail.ca


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