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To: Moominoid who wrote (23895)10/5/2002 10:48:21 AM
From: maceng2  Respond to of 74559
 
science is biased by the views of the scientists.

Quite, but I would also say that science is a very limited tool as a religion. You have to get everyone else to agree on something for it's accepted as true. Is one person ever more enlightened then other people??

If you only use science as a tool to study the spiritual side of life you are encumbered enormously to a very dull representation of what is and what is not spiritual life.

To be a good scientist, science must not be your "religion" imho. I find it funny when we often see two sets of scientists argue over theories that don't mesh with each other. Illogical emotions come very much into play.

I regard science as a tool. Thus I am able to change my mind on a particular theory, or interpretation of, say... a set of experimental results fairly easily. It's my experience that those who have science as a religion tend to get stuck with there own ideas and are a little more unflexible. Just a personal observation though.



To: Moominoid who wrote (23895)10/5/2002 11:23:12 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
Hi David:

I quoted in extenso Einstein a dozen of messages back. How come? Well, I was looking for one specific quote, and I like what I saw so much, I took some of them to our blackboard. The one I was looking for, though, I could not find. I'll quote it off my head:

The underlying substrate of any scientific endeavour is a belief in objective reality

...and I am not sure about "objective reality", to be honest. But it was definitely belief as a pre-condition. Of course we can now tear off on a discussion about objective reality, Kant, Hume, Spinoza (pretty good combination - A German, a Brit and a Jew;), but I guess we have better to do on a nice Saturday.

I think I saw the quote the first time years (30?) ago, in a book called something like "Introduction into general systems thinking" and I've been looking for this book left and right since (Foyles, Barns&Noble). Twas a rather old edition. Sigh, seems it just disappeared without a trace from the surface of the earth.

...

Oops!!If this world is not full of miracles;

amazon.com

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