To: LLCF who wrote (23905 ) 10/6/2002 10:24:31 AM From: JHP Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 DAK great day at the Topsfield fair and they had a competion that i think all CFZ`s could love! sheep and their owners had on the same outfits,beatuiful matching sweeters, LOL, every sheep joke you ever heard came to mind. a giant pumpkin that broke the world record:http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/top10062002.htm my son in law grows these. anyway <<<<wahabbism beliefs are poison to our system>> But we have millions of Muslims living in this country, and that IMO is one thing that makes America GREAT... Your statement is the exact parallel to what radical muslims are saying: "Western culture and beliefs are a poision to our system".>> well in the last 5 years wahabbi muslim clerics trained in saudi to hate the US and our system of values,with financing from the saud royal family, HAVE built in the US mosque coast to coast. They preach overtrow of western values and jihad! even Iraq is better then saudi Equality of women: Iraq puts US allies to shame By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF THE NEW YORK TIMES BAGHDAD - The White House is right that Iraq is by far the most repressive country in the Middle East, but that is true only if you are a man. To see how many Arab countries are in some ways even more repressive to women, consider how an invasion might play out. If American ground troops are allowed to storm across the desert from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, American servicewomen will theoretically not be able to drive vehicles as long as they are in Saudi Arabia and will be advised to wear an abaya over their heads. As soon as they cross the border into enemy Iraq, they will feel as if they are entering the free world: They can legally drive, uncover their heads, even call men idiots. Iraqi women routinely boss men and serve in non-combat positions in the army. If Iraq attacks with smallpox, Americans will have a woman to thank - Dr Rihab Rashida Taha, head of Iraq's biological-warfare programme, also known to weapons inspectors as Dr Germ. A man can stop a woman on the street in Baghdad and ask for directions without causing a scandal. Men and women can pray at the mosque together, go to restaurants together, swim together, court together or quarrel together. Girls compete in after-school sports almost as often as boys, and Iraqi television broadcasts women's sports as well as men's. The point is not to be soft on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, whose rash wars and policies have killed hundreds of thousands of women as well as men. Iraqi women would be much better off with Mr Saddam gone, and in any case, the relative equality of women in Iraq has little to do with his leadership. Iraq has been civilised more than twice as long as Britain. (It was old when Babylon arose.) We should not demonise all of Iraq, just its demon of a ruler. In a region where women are treated as doormats, Iraq offers an example of how an Arab country can adhere to Islam and yet provide women with opportunities. 'I look at women in Saudi Arabia and I feel sorry for them,' said Ms Thuha Farook, a young woman doctor in Basra. 'They can't learn. They can't improve themselves.' At the Basra Maternity and Paediatric Teaching Hospital, 25 of the 26 students in obstetrics and gynaecology are women. Across town, 54 per cent of Basra University's students are female. Iraqi women who work typically get six months' maternity leave at full pay and another six months at half pay. Subsidised day care is usually available at the workplace. Female circumcision, which is still common in American allies like Egypt and Nigeria, is absent in Iraq. Aside from brutal political repression that is gender-blind, Iraqi women endure groping on crowded buses and an occasional honour killing, in which a man kills a daughter or sister for being unchaste. Honour killings typically result in a six-month prison sentence in Iraq; they sometimes go completely unpunished in other countries. A glance around any Baghdad street shows that Iraq does not have hang-ups about the female body that neighbouring countries do. A man can travel widely in the Arab world and know about women's legs only through hearsay, but careful reporting in Iraq confirms that Arab women do have knees. America's allies in the Muslim world should feel deeply embarrassed that a rogue state offers women more equality than they do. and this <<<i thought the World Trade Center attack was Islam attacking the US because we are infidels.> I thought it was a bunch of murders using Islam as an excuse to justify their acts and garner followers.>> you seem easily deceived,this is what the ***mainstream*** religion in saud preaches everyday, kill and conquor the west, they do not teach PEACEFUL coexistance. regards john