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To: Mannie who wrote (7971)10/10/2002 8:01:54 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Here's a message from the senior statesman in The Senate...

Congress Must Resist the Rush to War
By ROBERT C. BYRD
Editorial
The New York Times
October 10, 2002

nytimes.com

WASHINGTON — A sudden appetite for war with Iraq seems to have consumed the Bush administration and Congress. The debate that began in the Senate last week is centered not on the fundamental and monumental questions of whether and why the United States should go to war with Iraq, but rather on the mechanics of how best to wordsmith the president's use-of-force resolution in order to give him virtually unchecked authority to commit the nation's military to an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation.

How have we gotten to this low point in the history of Congress? Are we too feeble to resist the demands of a president who is determined to bend the collective will of Congress to his will — a president who is changing the conventional understanding of the term "self-defense"? And why are we allowing the executive to rush our decision-making right before an election? Congress, under pressure from the executive branch, should not hand away its Constitutional powers. We should not hamstring future Congresses by casting such a shortsighted vote. We owe our country a due deliberation.

I have listened closely to the president. I have questioned the members of his war cabinet. I have searched for that single piece of evidence that would convince me that the president must have in his hands, before the month is out, open-ended Congressional authorization to deliver an unprovoked attack on Iraq. I remain unconvinced. The president's case for an unprovoked attack is circumstantial at best. Saddam Hussein is a threat, but the threat is not so great that we must be stampeded to provide such authority to this president just weeks before an election.

Why are we being hounded into action on a resolution that turns over to President Bush the Congress's Constitutional power to declare war? This resolution would authorize the president to use the military forces of this nation wherever, whenever and however he determines, and for as long as he determines, if he can somehow make a connection to Iraq. It is a blank check for the president to take whatever action he feels "is necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq." This broad resolution underwrites, promotes and endorses the unprecedented Bush doctrine of preventive war and pre-emptive strikes — detailed in a recent publication, "National Security Strategy of the United States" — against any nation that the president, and the president alone, determines to be a threat.

We are at the gravest of moments. Members of Congress must not simply walk away from their Constitutional responsibilities. We are the directly elected representatives of the American people, and the American people expect us to carry out our duty, not simply hand it off to this or any other president. To do so would be to fail the people we represent and to fall woefully short of our sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution.

We may not always be able to avoid war, particularly if it is thrust upon us, but Congress must not attempt to give away the authority to determine when war is to be declared. We must not allow any president to unleash the dogs of war at his own discretion and for an unlimited period of time.

Yet that is what we are being asked to do. The judgment of history will not be kind to us if we take this step.

Members of Congress should take time out and go home to listen to their constituents. We must not yield to this absurd pressure to act now, 27 days before an election that will determine the entire membership of the House of Representatives and that of a third of the Senate. Congress should take the time to hear from the American people, to answer their remaining questions and to put the frenzy of ballot-box politics behind us before we vote. We should hear them well, because while it is Congress that casts the vote, it is the American people who will pay for a war with the lives of their sons and daughters.

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Robert C. Byrd is a Democratic senator for West Virginia.



To: Mannie who wrote (7971)10/10/2002 9:29:16 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Scott: were you a part of this...??

Thousands march against war

Candlelight vigil, procession again fill Seattle streets
By CANDACE HECKMAN AND CHRIS McGANN
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTERS
Thursday, October 10, 2002
seattlepi.nwsource.com

Thousands of anti-war demonstrators took to the streets of Seattle last night -- the second time in less than a week -- pounding the pavement in the hope that options for a peaceful resolution in Iraq aren't drowned out by the rising drumbeat for war.

The candlelight vigil and procession from downtown Seattle to St. Mark's Cathedral on Capitol Hill was called for by the Church Council of Greater Seattle, which wanted to duplicate the march it sponsored on the eve of the Persian Gulf War in 1991.

Crowd estimates then ranged from 12,000 to 30,000. It was considered the largest such anti-war protest in the country.

More than 3,000 people marched up Broadway last night, forming a five-block procession that filled the street.

The marchers -- from many races and religions -- walked toward St. Mark's with their candles burning. Some came in blue jeans and others in business suits. There were a few songs and a pounding drum. But mostly they walked quietly.

Many carried signs that read "No Iraq War." Nathan Lewis of Seattle carried a recruiting poster he downloaded from a Web site. It showed Osama bin Laden pointing and saying, "I want you to invade Iraq."

Warren Jones of North Seattle had a homemade sign: "I love my country. I fear my government."

"I can think of nothing better to recruit terrorists around the world than an attack on Iraq," he said.

As the marchers crossed over Interstate 5 on Madison Street, freeway drivers honked a chorus of a supportive horns.

Nearby, the march stalled traffic at Boren and Madison. It kept Chris Causey of Tacoma waiting, but he didn't care.

"I'm definitely against the whole movement toward war," he said after he got out of his truck to show support for the marchers.

Along the way, others fell into line.

Anne Brewer had come to Broadway carrying white candles in her purse.

"I'm just going to be with the others. I like silent marches because they are so powerful," said Brewer, a 20-year resident of Capitol Hill. She took part in the huge march 11 years ago and felt compelled to walk again last night, even though she fears war is inevitable.

"I am frightened for all of us because our civil rights are being jeopardized. There is no reason for this that I've found. It will be a terrible mistake," she said.

At Broadway and Pine Street, dozen of people waited for the marchers to arrive.

Scott Morrison of Seattle carried his 22-month-old son, Finn, on his shoulders and pushed his 8-week-old son, Olaf, in a stroller as he joined the march.

"I don't like the precedent that this would set," he said of a war on Saddam Hussein. "There are a lot of other bad dictators in the world."

Tami Thomas of Woodinville and John McLaren of Seattle showed up feeling a little bit hopeless, given that opinion polls show many support President Bush's Iraq policy.

But McLaren said there seemed to be what he called cognitive dissonance. "Everybody I talked to is against this bombing. I don't know where they get that number" of support for the war.

Thomas was on Broadway "hoping it makes it somewhat obvious that there are people who oppose this war."

She added: "I'd like people from other countries to see that all Americans aren't the bullies that the American government is."

The rally began with brief services at the First United Methodist Church. At least 1,200 people filled the pews of both floors of the sanctuary, and others stood. Outside, crowds listened via loudspeakers.

Mention of U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott, the Seattle Democrat who has become a controversial opponent of a war, brought the crowd to its feet. So did the news that U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., announced yesterday that she will oppose a resolution that would give war powers to the president.

The Rev. Rich Gamble of Keystone United Church of Christ in Seattle told the crowd about his visit to Iraq earlier this year. The faces of the people, he said, stay with him.

People there treated him with respect, he said, adding that they knew the difference between a country's rulers and its people. "Unfortunately," he said, "we, too, are learning to live in a country ruled by people unresponsive to our wishes."

Ali-Salaam, imam of the Sea-Tac Masjid Mosque and Islamic Center of Washington, urged people to "take back their synagogues, take back their churches and take back the mosques" from those practicing fundamentalist and intolerant religion.

A children's choir sang "We Are the Children of Peace" in both English and Arabic at First United Methodist. Those in the pews began to join the children in the chorus:

"We don't want war anymore. We are the children of the world."

The past year has not been easy for Seattle peace activists trying to maintain the city's war-protest reputation, especially under the president's "you are either with us or against us" rallying cry for the invasion of Afghanistan.

More show up at every new event, though. Authorities in Washington, D.C., and San Francisco are preparing for mass demonstrations planned for Oct. 26 in those cities.

A majority of American adults, 53 percent, support an invasion of Iraq, according to the latest CNN-USA Today-Gallup Poll conducted last week. But those numbers have been in steady decline since last November when support peaked at 74 percent.

Marc Grossberg, 54, of Seattle, said it felt good last night to be surrounded by what appears to be the minority.

"There are a lot of people with similar feelings and this helps draw them all together," he said.

The first people to St. Mark's Cathedral filtered in singing hymns it seemed they had long ago committed to memory -- "We shall overcome . . . we shall work for peace" -- until the pews and chairs were full and the mass spilled out onto the lawn.

"Now we've walked and been counted by someone in a helicopter," said the Rev. Pete Strimer, canon missioner at the cathedral, "and tomorrow we will be underestimated."

Strimer then returned to the earnest message that those who marched had carried with them through the streets of Seattle. He encouraged them to make the vigil just the beginning of their anti-war activism.

"There will be days of action from this moment until the war is stopped," Strimer said.

P-I reporter Candace Heckman can be reached at 206-448-8348 or candaceheckman@seattlepi.com