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To: Lane3 who wrote (62164)	10/10/2002 11:49:44 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

Since conscience is the internalized, learned values, as it develops through additional influence, experience, and reflection, I cannot see anything wrong with calling it a matter of one's own conscience. Failure to conform only causes shame or guilt if one has not made an adequate showing of why one should do otherwise. That was how we started, by talking about the responsibility to square novel behavior with conscience. In my scheme, the learned part is what one starts with as a child and youth, and it is deep seated and not to be readily cast off. It gives you a starting point, but you do more than minor tweaking. However,you do not make "your" morality up out of whole clothe, otherwise the idea that one is somewhat a creature of one's own time and culture, which is evidently true, would be meaningless. I want to review the exchange that set you off before commenting, so it is just as well you are getting lunch......

To: Lane3 who wrote (62164)	10/10/2002 12:06:46 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

When I called your position "shallow", you came back at me as if I were saying that respect for the right of self- determination, for freedom, were shallow. Since no one denied that a competent adult has that right, it seemed inappropriate. It had seemed to me that you were saying that I had no reason to think that I was particularly right, although I was free to share my opinion (as non- judgmentally as possible) with the party. I called that "shallow" because I had very cogent reasons, which you ignored, to demonstrate that it was not all the same, and that some social interest was inevitable. That does not mean that I think there should be a law, or that I would ordinarily make it my business. It does mean that I have no problem with societal institutions promoting one thing over another, that I have no problem with parents and teachers pushing some on children, or with myself having and expressing, in a general way, such a point of view.....