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Politics : Attack Iraq? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 1:49:40 AM
From: Kid Rock  Respond to of 8683
 
Ray,

have you ever kept a tally as to how many individuals you label childish, fool, baffoon, etc. a day?

I think you should keep track for a week and reflect on this.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 7:36:41 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
Dear moron Raymond,

Do you know why I let you post your drivel and not ban you from the threads I host? I know you're way too stupid to realize why, so I'll just have to tell you... because you're a comical fool, everyone finds you either entertaining or ridiculous... everyone comes here from near and far to laugh at you, I can't begin to tell you how many PM's I receive each day asking me what kind of nut case you are... well, anyway, have a nice day...

GZ
The Management



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 7:50:36 AM
From: lorne  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
lil ray. So you can't win an argument with logic ( that's cuz your a democrout ) so you have to resort to this childish sort of thing.

....." Are you one of the lucky ones who got the "social advancement" from fourth to fifth grade and missed the lesson on the difference between "except" and "accept"? "....

So tell us lil ray do you feel better now does this help your battered EGO? :-)

OK. guess we just got to watch for any typos from you. LOL

Oh yes and did you or do you still support clinton?

I have asked you this a couple of times and of course you don't have to answer. I just wanted to know so I could point out just how screwed up your thinking really is.

Careful what you type now you hear.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 9:09:47 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 8683
 
Gees lil ray do you think silly willy clinton has anything to do with this?

Specter Wants OKC Bombing-Iraqi Connection Probe
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
October 11, 2002

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - The senior senator from Pennsylvania said Thursday that he will seek an investigation into alleged ties between the two Americans convicted of the Oklahoma City bombing, members of Islamist terrorist groups, and the Iraqi military.

"We will pursue it," said Sen. Arlen Specter, after hearing a one-hour presentation from former Oklahoma City television reporter Jayna Davis on the information she uncovered in a multi-year investigation.

"We will send it over to the FBI and we will continue to look at it," Specter told Davis during an appearance on the Michael Smerconish talk show broadcast on "1210 The Big Talker," WPHT radio in Philadelphia, live from Specter's office.

"This is a matter which warrants an inquiry, so we will do it," the senator concluded.

Davis presented Specter with 22 sworn affidavits from Oklahoma residents who have identified eight Middle Eastern men, allegedly including several former Iraqi soldiers, who the witnesses claim collaborated with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in the bombing plot. McVeigh has been executed for his role in the attack, Nichols is in prison.

One of the alleged former Iraqi soldiers is Hussain Al-Hussaini. Retired Col. Patrick Lang, the former chief of human intelligence for the Defense Investigative Agency, identified a tattoo on Hussaini's shoulder as indicative of having served in Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard.

"Seven of those witnesses place Hussain Al-Hussaini in the company of Timothy McVeigh, riding in the Ryder truck, the morning of the bombing, stepping out of that truck at ground zero, directly in front of the federal building moments before the massive fertilizer bomb exploded and speeding away from downtown in a brown Chevrolet pickup that matched the FBI's all points bulletin for foreign suspects that morning," Davis told Specter.

She believes, based on her investigation, that Hussaini is the mysterious "John Doe Number Two" authorities sought for more than two weeks after the bombing on April 19, 1995. The witnesses she interviewed also claim to have seen Hussaini speeding away from the Murrah Federal Building after the bombing in a brown Chevrolet truck, identical to the one for which the FBI issued an all points bulletin. That all points bulletin was withdrawn shortly after McVeigh's arrest.

Hussaini filed a libel suit against Davis' employer in 1999 for broadcasting reports based on her investigation. The suit was dismissed, and the court found the facts in Davis' reports to be "undisputed," including the evidence allegedly tying Hussaini to McVeigh and discrediting Hussaini's alibi for April 19, 1995.

Davis also believes that Terry Nichols was the indirect link between Iraq, the Oklahoma City bombing, and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network.

"Terry Nichols received his bomb-making expertise from Iraqi intelligence based in the Philippines," Davis said.

According to eyewitness accounts she obtained, Nichols met with Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing "in the early 1990s on the island of Mindanao ... to discuss acquisition of firearms and bomb making."

Davis claimed that she tried to surrender the 22 witness statements and corroborating documentation she uncovered to the FBI in 1997, but requested that agents sign a notarized receipt for the evidence. She said, after consulting with "the legal department," they refused to accept the documents.

"My attorney spoke to that DOJ attorney [involved in the prosecution of Nichols] and was told they didn't want any more documents for discovery that they would be required to remit to the defense teams," Davis said. "From there, I have been flatly refused."

Specter's office wrote the FBI Oct. 4 requesting information about why Davis' evidence was not accepted by the FBI. A staff member informed him during the presentation that the Department of Justice is "still drafting a written response" to Specter's request.

Specter noted that the U.S. Senate was debating the resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq while the presentation was in progress.

"If there was a provable connection between Iraq and the Oklahoma City bombing, that kind of terrorism, that would be a very big point in support of using force," he said. "If there is a provable connection between al Qaeda and the Oklahoma City bombing and Iraq, or if there is a connection provable between al Qaeda and Iraq, that would be a matter of enormous importance."

After completing her presentation to Specter, Davis told CNSNews.com, "I feel much better."

She added that she would "really feel better" when the evidence had been examined and the remainder of the individuals her investigation allegedly shows were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing were brought to justice.

Smerconish told Specter and his listeners that he believed the presentation had accomplished its goal.

"We want the assurance that somebody within the government who has the expertise in analyzing these types of security matters has given her the opportunity that you've afforded her today to sit and to listen and to look at the material," he told Specter. "We want to know that the government has taken Jayna Davis seriously, evaluated her work product, and made some kind of a determination."
cnsnews.com\Pentagon\archive\200210\PEN20021011a.html



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 9:45:22 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 8683
 
lil ray. Bet there are a lot of democrouts on pain killers
for obvious reasons. :o) Sure hope your not one of them.

Sen. Dawson facing arrest over altered prescription for painkillers

By Buddy Nevins and Linda Kleindienst
sun-sentinel.com
Posted October 10 2002, 3:30 PM EDT

TALLAHASSEE -- An arrest warrant was issued Wednesday night for state Sen. Mandy Dawson, D-Fort Lauderdale, on a prescription drug fraud charge, police said.

In a prepared release, Tallahassee police Chief Walter McNeil said the 46-year-old senator was charged with obtaining and attempting to obtain the painkiller Lorcet-10, a controlled substance, by fraud, a third-degree felony. The warrant was signed by a Tallahassee judge Wednesday night.

Dawson, who is up for re-election on Nov. 5 against independent Fred Segal, is expected to turn herself in to police soon, although neither a time nor place was announced.

Here is what police said happened that lead to the charge against Dawson, who was arrested under her real name of Muriel Amanda Dawson:

A woman entered the Publix Pharmacy on Capital Circle Northeast around 1 p.m. on Friday, Oct. 4th. She gave the pharmacist at the counter a prescription for 160 tablets of Lorcet-10. The woman identified herself as Sen. Mandy Dawson and asked to receive only 100 of the tablets at that time, explaining she was going to Africa and didn’t want a problem with U.S. Customs. The prescription was filled as requested and she left the store.

But the pharmacist was suspicious because of the large number of pills prescribed and eventually decided to call the Fort Lauderdale doctor who had written the order. When reached, the doctor said he had written a prescription for Dawson, but said it was for just 60 Lorcet tablets – not 160. He also said the prescription should have been dated Oct. 1 and not Oct. 4. When the conversation was completed, the pharmacist hung up and called police.

Two days later, a woman called the same pharmacy around 4:50 p.m. and asked for the remaining 60 tablets on the Dawson prescription. Another pharmacist took the order and while the woman was on hold called police.

A short time later, Dawson arrived to pick up the pills and was told there was problem with the prescription. She was detained by police. At that point, the police statement says Dawson threatened to “call Chief McNeil” and told officers she could not go to jail because of her job. She asked to speak to a supervisor.

A supervisor was called in and Dawson waived her rights. She denied altering the prescription, but said she took Lorcet for migraine headaches and for back problems.

On Oct. 8th, witnesses were given a photo lineup and they identified Dawson as the woman who came to the pharmacy twice for painkillers.

Dawson easily beat challengers Corey Alston and A. Tarkan Ocal in the Sept. 10th Democratic primary, gaining more than 60 percent of the vote. Her district represents District 29, which stretches from central Broward County to northern Palm Beach County, mostly along both sides of Interstate 95.

Her victory came despite criticism of her repeated absences from the Senate and the revelation she had erroneously claimed a degree from Florida A&M University on her résumé.

Dawson conceded she did not correct newspaper stories, legislative publications and résumés containing the false information about the degree. She said that someone else made the original mistake and that the error was irrelevant to the voters of her district.

She also had an explanation for her absences after Alston attacked her for missing more than 400 votes. She blamed them on migraine headaches, back surgery and the struggle of trying to raise three children as a single mother.

Two years ago, in a highly unusual move, Senate President Toni Jennings sharply chastised Dawson publicly for being two hours late to a session and missing 14 votes. Records show she missed eight of 22 committee meetings in the first half of the 2000 legislative session.

In 2001, as chairwoman of the Broward Legislative Delegation, Dawson's repeated absences kept other Broward legislators and residents waiting. This year, Dawson missed a major part of the two-month session because of back surgery.

A former welfare mother who has become a leader in the political community, Dawson was a legislative aide in Tallahassee for four years before winning a seat in the state House in 1992.

Six years later, she beat incumbent Matt Meadows, D-Lauderhill, for a seat in the Senate. Her major supporter in that race was U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, and his Broward political operative, Art Kennedy.

Kennedy on Wednesday said he was shocked by news of the police investigation.

Sen. Ron Klein, D-Delray Beach, the incoming Senate Democratic leader, said he had heard rumors about the investigation and tried to reach Dawson a couple of days ago. He said he had not heard back from her.
sun-sentinel.com



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 9:55:28 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 8683
 
lil ray. Seems that no matter where one looks they will find a democrat doing something dumb. Why is that lil ray. WHY?

Immigration politics
October 11, 2002
Just a week after he chastised his fellow Democrats for playing politics with "a life and death issue" on Iraq, Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., is back to playing politics himself on another vital issue: illegal immigration.

Congress's minority leader told an audience of nearly a thousand people, according to CNS News, that he would introduce legislation to allow illegal aliens to become legal – provided they help Democrats regain majority control of Congress. Of course, Gephardt couched his promise in euphemistic terms to camouflage its sordidness, telling the Democrats-in-waiting his legislation would enable "undocumented people" to "earn legalization." But, he added, "We need a Democratic majority to get this up and get it done."

As David Ray, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform observed, referring to an illegal alien as an "undocumented immigrant" is "like calling a bank robbery an 'unauthorized withdrawal.'"

That is precisely the point. How can we pretend to be serious about protecting our borders when prominent politicians so casually dismiss illegal activity? How can we claim to be fighting the war on terrorism on all fronts when we are unwilling to enforce immigration laws?

Everyone knows Democrats rammed through Motor Voter legislation for the barely disguised purpose of registering more state-dependent Democrats – and that was plenty bad enough. But to compromise our national security and completely ignore the rule of law for the sake of regaining political power is indefensible.

Congressman Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., supported Gephardt, saying that amnesty legislation would be hard to pass with Republicans in control. "In America," he said, "we should always understand one of the principles. And that is: He who has the most votes dictates the public policy of this country."

In saner times those words would make devastating soundbites for Republican congressional candidates throughout the nation. Gephardt and Gutierrez might as well have said, "It's tougher for us to be soft on crime when the rule of law Republicans are in power. Help us get them out so we can erase your criminal acts, and in turn, you can help keep us in power."

This type of craven political calculation on the immigration issue is among the outrages Michelle Malkin has exposed in her compelling bestseller "Invasion." Right in the introduction she points the finger at Congress. "The United States Congress," writes Malkin, "pressured by ethnicity lobbyists, corporations, the travel industry and open-borders activists, aided the September 11 terrorists by losing track of foreign students and visitors overstaying their visas. To this day, no such tracking systems have been implemented." This book is growing more relevant every day.

Malkin shows that politicians are creative in their pandering. While they can't achieve full-blown amnesty for immigrants, they try to deliver other benefits to placate "ethnic activists." Such benefits encompass "public accommodations for illegal immigrants, including driver's licenses, banking privileges, college tuition breaks, protection from police action, health care and even American taxpayer-subsidized water stations to ease their illegal journeys across our borders."

And if you think Motor-Voter was shameless, you should read about "the $95 million, taxpayer-funded Citizenship USA program under the Clinton-Gore administration." On page 208, Malkin reminds us how Vice President Gore pressured the INS to reduce the wait time for citizenship naturalization from two years to six months "in key states before the 1996 elections." Why? That's a tough one. Because Gore knew the lion's share of them would vote for Democrats – the party that is hard on those who are hard on crime.

But Malkin goes on to reveal an even more disturbing aspect of this saga. Only by waiving criminal background checks could the INS meet this expedited timeline. The result was "the naturalization of thousands of criminal aliens." Now, if that doesn't make your blood boil, you either don't believe it, or your concepts of patriotism and the rule of law are different from mine.

Assuming you have no blood pressure difficulties, you simply must get Malkin's book, because you will find that the type of vote pandering in which Dick Gephardt is engaged is just the tip of the iceberg.

Read the fact-packed "Invasion," and you'll discover that the first-generation American Michelle Malkin is no alarmist, but the Paula Revere of the illegal immigration crisis delivering a message that must be heeded.
worldnetdaily.com



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 10:08:14 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 8683
 
lil ray. make them stop lil ray make the democrats stop doing dumb things,

Lawmakers who love law-breakers
newsandopinion.com | Democrat Sen. Bob Torricelli of New Jersey is not through yet. While media pundits are busy writing his obituary, the Torch and his colleagues continue to make America safe for law-breakers.
Oct. 4, 2002
On Sept. 23, Torricelli and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) introduced a Senate bill guaranteeing "relief" to a Middle Eastern family in Houston that has deliberately evaded a federal deportation order for five years.

Palestinians Sharif and Asmaa Kesbeh and their children entered the U.S. on tourist visas from Saudi Arabia in 1991. After illegally overstaying the visas, they applied for asylum. Their asylum applications were denied by a U.S. immigration judge. They appealed to the Board of Immigration Appeals and lost. They appealed to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, which rejected their claims twice. The Immigration and Naturalization Service ordered them deported in 1997. The Kesbehs got more than their fair share of due process. But they still wouldn't take no for an answer. Instead, they demonstrated their contempt for our immigration system by illegally settling into the American mainstream, establishing a retail business (selling American flags of all things), obtaining Social Security cards and driver's licenses, and enrolling their kids in local schools.

Their business flourished. Their children became "honor students." But all the while, the Kesbehs knowingly violated the deportation order sent to them by the INS.

Earlier this year, it seemed the law would finally would catch up with the Kesbehs. As part of the Justice Department's post-September 11 initiative to track down hundreds of thousands of deportation absconders, the INS took Sharif Kesbeh and his eldest son into custody.

The agency also moved to deport Asmaa Kesbeh and all but one of the couple's daughters to Jordan (the youngest was born in the U.S.). Arab-American and Muslim groups predictably protested (will they ever support our deportation laws under any circumstances?), followed by sympathetic media reports. Next, Texas Democrat Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, champion of oppressed law-breakers, stepped in. In the spring she introduced a special "private relief" bill to prevent the Kesbehs' deportation. When the bill failed to make it out of committee, she appealed to another pro-illegal alien Democrat, Sen. Teddy Kennedy of Massachusetts.

Kennedy lobbied his good friend, James Ziglar, President Bush's INS chief, who reportedly helped delay the family's impending deportation. Meanwhile, Torricelli introduced formal legislation on the Kesbehs' behalf after meeting with Arab-American representatives last week. Torricelli's bill, S. 2991, would award permanent residence status to the Kesbehs and six of their six children-allowing the family to jump ahead of the line of green card applicants in their native country who have waited their turn patiently to live the American dream.

Thanks to Ziglar's intervention, the INS postponed the deportation for six months while the Lee and Torricelli bills work their way through the House and Senate. The agency released Sharif Kesbeh and his son last week. Yes, the Republican-appointed INS commissioner joined Torricelli, Daschle, Kennedy, and Jackson Lee in undermining the laws he's supposed to enforce. Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, an Arab-American, also joined the fray last week, complaining that the Kesbehs' hadn't gotten a "fair" hearing. (Never mind that the family got four of them.)

Isn't it nice to see such bipartisan cooperation on behalf of law-breaking non-citizens?

Believe it or not, the Kesbeh case is just one of dozens involving "private relief" bills seeking to award legal permanent residence to foreign law-breakers who believe they are entitled to cut in front of everyone else around the world who has properly applied for a green card.

Colorado Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell has introduced a similar bill on behalf of illegal alien Jesus Apodaca, a Denver high school student who criticized his state for not giving him an in-state tuition discount for college. The White House and GOP Colorado Gov. Bill Owens back the bill. And they have distanced themselves from fellow Republican Tom Tancredo, the Colorado congressman who bravely calls attention to the dangerous effects of an immigration system that haphazardly enforces its laws-rewarding the line-jumpers, making martyrs of defiant deportation fugitives, and making fools of those who follow the rules.

Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, and Bob Torricelli helped make a corrupt and crooked mess of our immigration system. But they didn't do it alone
jewishworldreview.com



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 10:15:16 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 8683
 
lil ray. Can you handle just a bit more?

Unprecedented betrayal and obstruction
October 11, 2002
"I defy anyone to come up with a better record" on judicial confirmations than the current Democrat-led Senate, said Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.

OK, Mr. Leader, here goes.

There was the Republican Senate under President Clinton, when judicial vacancies averaged 70, compared to 95 in the current Democrat Senate under President Bush. How's that?

Or the Senate during the first two Clinton years which confirmed 128 judges, compared to just 80 during the first two Bush years. Democrats ran the Senate then too, showing just how partisan they are today.

And there's the Senate at the start of the Clinton, or the first Bush, or the Reagan administrations. Take your pick. The Senate confirmed those presidents' first batch of appeals court nominees in an average of 81 days. Today, after 520 days, two-thirds of President Bush's first nominees are still stuck in the Judiciary Committee.

Or take the Senate during the first two years of those three previous administrations. The Senate confirmed an average of 94 percent of their nominees, compared to just 51 percent of President Bush's nominees. Not even close.

Oh, let's see. There's the Senate under Republican leadership when the Judiciary Committee never voted down a single Clinton nominee. Even Ronnie White, the only nominee defeated by the full Senate, made it out of the committee. The current Democrat-led committee has already voted down two Bush nominees, refusing to let the full Senate even take a vote.

And there's the Senate at any time, ever, when the Judiciary Committee never before voted down a nominee who had received a unanimous "well qualified" rating from the American Bar Association. The current Senate has already done that, even though the Democrats who run it say the American Bar Association's rating is the "gold standard" for evaluating nominees.

Hmmm, so many to choose from. There's the Senate during the three previous administrations, which confirmed an average of 92 percent of those presidents' appeals court nominees. The current Senate – Sen. Daschle's Senate – has confirmed just 44 percent of President Bush's appeals-court picks. Again, not even close.

Shall I go on? Why not. There's the Senate under Republican leadership when appeals-court vacancies averaged 20 during the Clinton years, compared to the current Democrat Senate, which has maintained a vacancy rate 50 percent higher.

Please, Sen. Daschle, stop me whenever you finally get the point. There's the Senate under Republican control that never violated Senate rules the way Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., did on Oct. 8. Those rules require that when a nominee has been scheduled for a vote and that vote is postponed, the committee must vote the next business meeting. The committee was scheduled to vote on appeals-court nominee Dennis Shedd on Oct. 3, Sen. Leahy postponed it, and then still yanked it off the agenda for the Oct. 8 meeting.

That petty little partisan stunt showed just what Senate Democrats – at the command of their leftist puppet-masters – will do to control the judiciary. Anything, that's what. Judge Shedd, on the federal district-court bench in South Carolina for a dozen years, is a former Judiciary Committee chief counsel and staff director under then-Chairman Sen. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C. Rated well qualified by the ABA, he was nominated on May 9, 2001 – part of that group of nominees held captive now for 76 days longer than the hostages were in Iran.

Sen. Leahy not only broke Senate rules to again block a vote on Judge Shedd, but he broke public (and no doubt private) promises to Sen. Thurmond, who is retiring after nearly a half-century of service, that the committee would vote on the Shedd nomination this year. As Sen. Thurmond said on the Senate floor Oct. 9, "In 48 years in the Senate, I have never been treated in such a manner."

As if there's any reason to break Senate rules, Democrats say the Shedd nomination was controversial and would have taken too long to debate at the Oct. 8 meeting. That problem could have been avoided by holding a hearing and vote any time in, oh, the last 500 days or so. The fact is that leftist groups and Democrat senators are tag teaming like this all the time. The groups trump up fake "concerns" and "controversy" and the senators first wring, then throw up, their hands, saying there's just too much hullabaloo to move a nomination further or faster.

Let's see, fewer confirmations, higher vacancies, unprecedented committee rejections, broken promises, broken tradition, broken Senate rules and broken obstruction records. I defy anyone, even Sen. Daschle, to come up with a worse record.
worldnetdaily.com



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2411)10/11/2002 12:17:12 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
<font color=red>CONGRESS AUTHORIZES BUSH TO USE FORCE AGAINST IRAQ

nytimes.com

Tough luck, Ray.

LOL!!!!