First, let me say.......are you all this weird? Just yesterday,you suggested I might need to take a break from the thread. Was that projection on your part? I said that because you rarely post here but after few days, you sound like you need a break. And I can't imagine why........after all, you don't have to deal with the moonshine man, Mr. Ray 24/7!
I supported it because the reports claiming that the Serbs were committing genocide.....forcing people off their land and into camps.
Reports that were never proven true. They never found the 100,000 dead. It was all propaganda, that started days AFTER the bombing started. A similar propaganda is under way now, at least it is BEFORE the war starts (if it does).
The exact numbers have yet to be determined but it is clear from reports that from 3k to 100k Muslim Kosovans were massacred. You may be hung up by the larger numbers but I am not. One massacre is one too many.
news.bbc.co.uk
If you think that the US is right to go to war as a response to every civil war with casualties (exaggerated into ethnic cleansing / genecide, as needed by the propaganda machine), than you have seen nothing yet, as far as US interventions would need to be concerned. Are we now supposed to invade Zimbabwe, South Africa, from where similar reports are coming out as from Yugoslavia? And that's just scratching the surface.
I don't.....I never said I did. The problems in Yugoslavia threatened to spill out to other parts of Europe, effecting the stability of our allies. I have no objection of coming to the aid of an ally even one as distant as Kuwait.
How about this from today:
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Death Reports Emerge in Ivory Coast
Thu Oct 10, 7:46 PM ET
By ALEXANDRA ZAVIS, Associated Press Writer
BOUAKE, Ivory Coast (AP) - The killers were young and armed, bearing guns, machetes and clubs. They roamed the streets of Ivory Coast's second city, chasing victims. Some, they burned alive.
Frightened residents of Bouake — fleeing by the thousands during a lull in fighting that has raged for days — spoke Thursday of how the three-week-old rebellion let loose deadly ethnic rivalries in the this rebel-held, central city of 500,000...
...Aid workers estimate that approximately 150,000 Bouake residents have been displaced by the uprising — the once-stable West African country's bloodiest ever.
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Invade Ivory Cost now? How about sorting things out in Kashmir, Northern Ireland, Tibet. Should we attack China? How about attacking Russia over Chechnya. It fits the Yugoslavia profile perfectly: A nation, currently friendly with the US (Russia) sorting things out with domestic separatists/terrorists. How about calling in Albright from retirement to give Russia an ultimatum, that they need to let Chechnyans / Al Qaeda roam free, terrorize Russians inside Chechnya, and even inside Russia, and if Russia does not comply, NATO will start bombing (without Congressional debate, without Congressional approval, without UN approval), just like that, in the middle of night. How about taking out all the bridges on Volga river from Moscow all the way to Caspian Sea? That should be a worthy start of the war?
Which one of the sites you mention asked for our intervention? More importantly, which one of those problem areas threaten our stability and may lead to an attack of our country......or our allies for that matter?
<O>Just days ago, you were upset (wrongly) about Bush not seeking Congressional approval. How about this:
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Washington Journal: Clinton To Ask Congress For Kosovo Resolution
By Frank T. Csongos
Washington, 12 April 1999 (RFE/RL) -- U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen says President Bill Clinton will seek a Gulf War-type resolution from Congress in support of NATO's military campaign against Yugoslavia.
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Doh! Almost a month into bombing, and Cohen says Clintonn WILL seek Congressional support.
Duh! He wasn't asking for a declaration of war. Why? Because Nato is not a substate of the US. Its an independent body that can proceed on its volition. If US dictated Nato policies, why would Rumsfield bother to petition them for support?
With or without the support of NATO, Bush plans to attack Iraq. The US is declaring war, not NATO. Do you see the difference? In a desperate effort to support the questionable behavior of the current administration, you are grasping at straws.
One by one, your points, your newly found principles are melting away. What is left is one overriding principle: If it is a Democratic president, everything is allowed, if it is a Republican president, actions that were ok for a Democrat President are suddenly an outrage. Meaning, everything you are posting here is pure partisanship, without any rhyme and reason. If making point A fits partisan propaganda today, use it, if the opposite of A fits tomorrow, no problem. Opposite of A is it for the day.
You don't know me well enough to know whether my principles change or not........and I am far less partisan than you are. Its really sad.......to know how fukked up things are, you only need to look at your portfolio. Economically, things are the worst they have been in 20 years. When Clinton was president, people were not angry and demonstrating in the streets when he sought that resolution from Congress. Why is that? Why did he have the support of the American people and Bush doesn't? Why did they trust him to do the right thing but they don't trust Bush?
If nothing else that should tell you what's happening. Reps. are forcing the dividing of this country......in a recent poll, it talks about how people feel pulled........they are worried about their economic well being but their president keeps telling them they really need to be worried about a two bit dictator 7k miles away. In fact, its their patriotic duty. BS! BS! BS!
I am looking forward to hearing your explanation on how Clinton is allowed to start war without Congressional approval, while you requested one from Bush.
Stupid is as stupid does! Duh! He didn't start a war.
Also, after your need for UN approval of US wars went up in flames, you may want to let me know your revised opinion.
BTW, if you are interested, my opinion is that President should ask for Congressional approval for starting wars, and shouldn't start wars without it. President, if he feels like, can ask for UN approval, but a lack of UN approval should not stop him from acting.
I think you need to know better how our gov't works before taking such stands as you make in this post.
ted
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