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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (197217)10/12/2002 12:17:13 PM
From: Ahda  Respond to of 436258
 
We might be well versed but they have a new form of creating cash flow. This is greed or insanity or the fear the economy will contract and actually grow.

Numerous creative measures in finance far to many to possibly get hold on. I wished AG would read promos instead of straight figures might help him see what has happened. It amounts to a bunch of blind bats who are steering the new course to the sky.



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (197217)10/12/2002 12:25:45 PM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
This posted on my board on the FOOL by Eolith

I'm sure of one thing.
Whatever happens, Alan Greenspan is going to make the WRONG move.



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (197217)10/12/2002 12:54:56 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
The reform party's over

By Molly Ivins
Syndicated Columnist
Posted on Thu, Oct. 10, 2002
Star-Telegram

We just lost the whole ballgame on corporate reform without the news even making it to the front page. The sick, sad tidings were tucked away discreetly on the business pages: "SEC Chief Hedges on Accounting Regulator." Now there's a sexy headline.

All of you who were shafted by Enron, shucked by Worldcom, jived by Global Crossing, everyone whose 401(k) is now a 201(k) (I think that's Paul Begala's line), you just got screwed again. They're not going to fix it.

They've already called off the reform effort; it's over. Corporate muscle showed up and shut it down. Forget expensing options, independent directors, going after offshore shams, derivatives regulation. For that matter, forget even basic reforms like separating the auditing and consulting functions of accounting firms and rotating accounting firms every few years.

Bottom line: It's all going to happen again. We learned zip from the entire financial collapse. Our political system is too bought-off to respond intelligently.

Even the normally impeccable Lou Dobbs had taken to referring to SEC Chairman Harvey Pitt as "a reformer," a usage that stretches the language.

Pitt, President Bush's appointee to the chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission and a career-long mercenary for the securities industry, is the lawyer who memorably advised in one law journal article: If you get in trouble, shred the evidence.

He came in promising to make the SEC "a kinder, gentler place for accountants." This unpromising champion of reform -- appointed to keep the corporations happy -- came under such heavy political fire during the financial collapse that he was suddenly out there flirting with Paul Volcker, Arthur Levitt and other genuinely concerned citizens with actual ideas about how to fix this ghastly mess.

No mas. According to The New York Times: "Harvey L. Pitt, under pressure from Republicans and former clients in the accounting industry, is backing away from the choice he and other members of the SEC favored to lead the new federal agency that will oversee the industry. Industry executives and at least one prominent Republican lawmaker complained that the top choice, John H. Biggs, was too tough on the industry."

Biggs, the citizen in question, is head of the pension investment plan TIAA-CREF -- not exactly a commie. Nevertheless, he has spoken up strongly for the need to make companies more stringently accountable for stock options, making companies rotate their auditors every few years, and for separating the auditing and consulting functions of accounting firms.

Gee, how bold and daring of him. Quel overthrow of capitalism is implied by these obvious, fundamental reforms.

The Sarbanes bill set up a new five-member board to oversee the accounting industry. Biggs was the much-touted choice to head this board -- both Pitt and another SEC commissioner had announced their support -- when, oops, the accounting industry weighed in.

"Congressional aides and current and former SEC officials say the episode illustrates the continued political influence of the accounting profession despite its defeat … on the Sarbanes bill." Duh.

Lynn Turner, former chief accountant for the SEC, told the Times: "It appears that the accounting firms, the Republicans and now chairman Pitt are trying to circumvent the Sarbanes legislation by making certain that the board does not include a reform-minded person: If we lose Biggs, we lose a reform-minded board."

The ever-flexible Rep. Michael Oxley, R-Ohio, chairman of the House committee that oversees the SEC, is one of my favorite players in the corporate scandals. First, he was against reform. Then the pressure for reform got so strong that even the White House rolled over in front of it, and Our Man Oxley became a reformer, too, signing on to the Sarbanes bill. But now he wants a person of "moderate views," as opposed to this reincarnation of Vladimir Lenin, the head of a major pension fund.

You will not be amazed to learn that Oxley's major contributors are securities and investment firms, commercial banks, insurance, finance and credit companies, and accounting firms. You got to dance with them what brung you.

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Molly Ivins writes for Creators Syndicate. 5777 W. Century Blvd., Suite 700, Los Angeles, CA 90045

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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (197217)10/12/2002 3:29:18 PM
From: Joan Osland Graffius  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 436258
 
Patron,

Jimmy Rogers brought up a couple of interesting items this morning.

He noted that as soon as the elections are over we will have the state and local governments releasing employees because of the short fall in tax collection.

He also noted that Greenspan turned the printing presses on big time on Wednesday.

Joan



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (197217)10/12/2002 3:37:51 PM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 436258
 
A Michael Murphy EMAIL I received
This clown is still preaching the same garbage he was preaching at Naz 4000, 3000, 2500, 2000 etc.
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October 12, 2002

Dear Investor,

Are you ready, or will you miss out on one of the surest
wealth-building opportunities of your lifetime?

Over the past 2-days the market seems to have finally have
shrugged off its bear market shackles, as the DOW was up 563
points and the NASDAQ soared 93 points!

While the talking heads are crediting this rally to positive
announcements from behemoths GE and IBM, I've been preparing
investors for this opportunity (which is about a lot more than just a positive announcement or two!) since I issued my warning over six weeks ago of a market set to retest its lows. Well, I was right, the market did retest its lows, with the S&P500 hitting a five year intra-day low Thursday morning, but now I'm happy to say that we seem to be clearly beginning a significant new move to the upside.

I know "Earnings Season" has been a scary time for most investors over the past year, but as GE and IBM's announcements show, you don't need to be nearly so afraid any more. Investors' expectations are so low, it will be easy for most companies to make their numbers. But amidst all the earnings season chatter, most people have been missing a MUCH BIGGER story. One that can -- finally -- help you put the bad news of the last 2 1/2 years
behind you.

Tech is on the verge of a big -- and rapid -- comeback.

The reason? Frankly it's because it's finally dawning on Wall Street that the best dominant tech companies, like Cisco, Nokia and Intel have used the downturn to outmuscle smaller competitors and steal even more market share. For example, Nokia recently announced that their share of the global cell phone handset market had increased to a remarkable 38%, Intel recently completed moves that put them several technology generations ahead of their next nearest competitor and Cisco successfully gobbled-up yet another potential competitor at firesale prices

And that's why Cisco, Nokia and Intel are three technology
companies you really want to own as the economy recovers. You see -- market-share hogs like this will lead the NASDAQ past 1500 very quickly and then back to 2,000 and beyond.

Buy any of these three now for 25%-50% GAINS by the end of the year -- and money-TRIPLING profits within 3 years. But don't stop there -- many of the stocks we're buying now at my "Technology Investing" newsletter will do as well, or even better.

So get in now for the fastest, easiest, biggest gains -- or
second-guess yourself later when you miss out.

I'm NOT saying that we're going back to NASDAQ 5,000 anytime
soon. And I don't know how many years it will take to get there -- although we will get there sooner than most people think. BUT I am looking for a slingshot ride past 1500 in the coming months, and then back to 2000 and beyond. And you will make the most money if you buy the dominant tech companies I follow at "Technology Investing" now. HERE'S WHY:

*Any technician will tell you that the market is way oversold by any traditional measure. Depending on who you listen to, that's 15%-to-20% -- based solely on current fundamentals -- and tech stocks usually trade on expected FUTURE earnings.

*Techs stocks are oversold by a wider margin. That's just the nature of the beast -- first they go up too far...then they fall to drastically oversold levels.

*The NASDAQ rolled past 2,000 last December on weaker economic numbers, an earnings picture that was much worse and forecasts shaded in a dense fog. Now -- as Cisco, Intel and Nokia's recent performance shows -- the pictures is getting much brighter for tech's dominant names.

*And now the underlying fundamentals seem to be growing even
stronger. Yesterday morning we learned that wholesale prices held steady again in September, easing any possible inflationary fears. On top of that, retail sales (less autos) eeked out an encouraging 0.1% gain, despite what had been disappointing consumer confidence figures released earlier in the week -- this is very good news, and bodes well for the economy in the short and medium term.

*No wonder some of the biggest bears -- guys who, frankly, got the crash right -- have turned decidedly bullish. Barton Biggs, Morgan Stanley's perennial bear, has forecast a 30% NASDAQ rise over the next few months -- with more battered stocks soaring 50%.

SO, you see, I'm not alone.

To be clear, some of the technology stocks I own aren't ready to romp- they are 2003 stories. But several technology sectors are already recovering quite nicely. And stocks in those sectors -- severely oversold at these levels -- are ready to POP.

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Sincerely,

Michael Murphy
"Technology Investing"

P.S. This is your opportunity to exact a little revenge on the Wall Street players who whipsawed you out of a ton of cash these last couple of years. Right now, the big money crowd is playing the little guy again -- trying to scare you away from the big rally into bonds so you'll be left holding the bag.again.

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