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Politics : Attack Iraq? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2516)10/13/2002 5:18:05 AM
From: epsteinbd  Respond to of 8683
 
Raymond, Because you only get a "countrified Yankee terrorist" per five million US people per year; but you are going to get one in a thousand Mad Muslim per year,

And that make your odds like following:

Mathematidally it comes to 1/1 200 000 against 1/60, or if you prefer TWENTY THOUSAND TIMES MORE DANGEROUS;

Don't tell me you play with such odds... or that America isn't going to lock its border tight because it's inhuman here, unconstitutional there. The US Canadian border is going to be the three oceans, including the frozen one.
So what's the main problem from outside : containers.
As you've probably done some good research on which Co is best equipped to produce fast what's needed for screening 100% of containers; thus, please, give us your investor's advice, like you have done before, to me, personally; and as it does happens, you were right on target, if I may use this Bushism, (please do not feel Saddamised by it).

Give it a second go, Raymond.
TIA.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2516)10/13/2002 5:54:49 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
THE BUSH DOCTRINE: MIGHT MAKES RIGHT

By Richard Reeves
Syndicated Columnist
Sat Oct 12, 10:03 PM ET
news.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON -- After the cruel bloodletting of Sept. 11, 2001, Time magazine and others proclaimed the end of the age of irony. Whatever the new age was, it certainly was over by Oct. 11, 2002.

That was Friday. That day the members of the committee that chooses winners of the Nobel Peace Prize voted for the 39th president of the United States, Jimmy Carter. At the same time, members of the U.S. Congress fell all over themselves voting to damn the Constitution and history and give the 43rd president of the United States, George W. Bush, the power to attack Iraq if he felt like it. And the people of Pakistan were allowed to vote in a sham election called by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, the military dictator who is the best friend of the United States in South Asia.

The Pax Americana enforced by the world's only superpower is a pretty complicated business, isn't it? One wonders what's next. An election in Saudi Arabia with only princes allowed to vote? Or, perhaps, there will be a peace prize next year for this President Bush (news - web sites). How about one for Ariel Sharon (news - web sites), the prime minister of Israel, who has his own ideas about how to keep the peace?

Well, hooray for Carter. He failed as president -- he could not understand the economy and then sanctimoniously blamed the American people for his own problems -- but prevailed as a human being after his defeat in 1980. The five members of the secret Nobel committee mentioned his role in the Camp David Accords, but with obvious deliberation emphasized the contrast between presidents 39 and 43, saying in their citation: "In a situation currently marked by threats of the use of power, Carter has stood by his principles that conflicts must as far as possible be resolved through mediation and international cooperation based on international law, respect for human rights and economic development."

The new laureate is considered a wimp around here, where the Congress, with elections less than a month away, rolled over for the president who wants the power to wage pre-emptive war. This was the official transfer of constitutional power from the Congress to the executive branch.

We will see now whether regional superpowers will adopt the American way. China could use the American example and rhetoric to invade Taiwan. The Russians could move into Georgia. India could go after Musharraf over Kashmir (news - web sites) or attack to destroy Pakistan's weapons of mass destruction. It must be tempting for them, and what would the United States say? Well done?

Is this what the world wants? I don't know. The world is not a simple place, as Musharraf found Friday morning as the votes were counted in a "parliamentary" election he hoped would give his reign some legitimacy. The old corrupt, but elected, political leaders of Pakistan -- former prime ministers Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto -- were barred from participating in the election, but their parties did reasonably well without them. And the real winners, at least in the areas near Afghanistan (news - web sites), were anti-American Islamic fundamentalists of a type that has become too familiar around the world.

Back in Washington, the power has shifted totally now to the White House. The president's men and women, it is said, are already planning for the postwar Iraq. The plan of the day, leaked to The New York Times, is to install a military government, with a general playing the role of American emperor in the way that Gen. Douglas MacArthur ruled Japan after World War II. You remember, that was when Japan lost the war after beginning it with a pre-emptive strike on the United States at Pearl Harbor.

I doubt our pre-emptive actions will lead to our quick destruction. But conquest and occupation could bring destruction, chaos and more war in the Middle East and elsewhere. If, however, war does bring peace, there could be a prize for the 43rd president. George Bush, after all, was one of the 156 nominees for the peace prize this year -- even as he called for war.

That would be ironic. But at least this week's congressional votes have clarified the issue and the new Bush Doctrine. That doctrine, not ironic at all, is this: Might makes right.

___________________________________________

RICHARD REEVES, author of President Nixon: Alone in the White House (October 2001), is a writer and syndicated columnist who has made a number of award-winning documentary films. His ninth book, President Kennedy: Profile of Power — now considered the authoritative work on the 35th president — won several national awards and was named the Best Non-Fiction Book of 1993 by Time. His other best selling books include Convention and American Journey: Travelling with Tocqueville in Search of American Democracy.

Recipient of the 1998 Lifetime Achievement Award from the National Society of Newspaper Columnists, Reeves writes a twice-weekly column that appears in more than 100 newspapers. He is a former chief political correspondent for The New York Times and has written extensively for numerous magazines, including The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine, Esquire and New York.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2516)10/13/2002 6:34:44 PM
From: Victor Lazlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
<<countrified Yankee terrorist >>

What are you talking about?



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2516)10/13/2002 6:40:37 PM
From: Victor Lazlo  Respond to of 8683
 
<< Can you please explain to me why I need to fear a foreign terrorist >>

Here's some advice, cement-head:

1. Remove your head from that deep hole in the sand.

2. Wake up.

3. Look around.

187 Killed in Blast at Indonesia Nightclub
Indonesia Faced With New Demands to Crack Down on Islamic Militants

By Alan Sipress and Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, October 13, 2002; 4:52 PM

KUTA, Indonesia, Oct. 13 – The death toll rose to 187 today in the aftermath of a devastating car bomb blast Saturday that turned several teeming Bali nightclubs into deadly infernos. Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, faced new demands that it crack down on Islamic militants.

No one claimed responsibility for the attack. At least three-quarters of the victims were foreigners, packed into crowded bars in the beach entertainment district here. The buildings burned and collapsed in a series of fires and explosions set off by a bomb hidden in a large Toyota vehicle.

Many of those killed were Australian, including tourists celebrating the end of various football competitions, as well as those from Canada, Britain, Germany and Sweden. A U.S. embassy official said one American was known dead and three were among the 300 injured. The U.S. Embassy was considering evacuating some non-essential personnel and their families from Indonesia.

In Washington, President Bush condemned the attack as "a cowardly act designed to create terror and chaos." Indonesia's National Police Chief Da'I Bachtiar called it "the worst act of terrorism in Indonesia's history." Australian Prime Minister John Howard declared, "The war against terrorism must go on with unrelenting vigor and an unconditional commitment."

Australia dispatched passenger jets and Hercules C-130 military planes to evacuate frightened tourists and the injured. Bali hospitals reported shortages of some medicines to treat the wounded.

The attack seemed to signal a shift in tactics by militant groups, diplomats said. They noted that earlier attacks were aimed at embassies and U.S. Navy vessels, including a threat that forced the American embassy to shutter for six days last month.

But the Bali attack was aimed at civilians. "It's clear that whoever's behind these attacks is branching out to softer targets," a U.S. embassy official said. "That's why we're concerned about it."

"The fact of the matter is, groups are targeting Westerners and using the most outrageous [means] to target foreigners," U.S. Ambassador Ralph L. Boyce said.

The explosions came on the second anniversary of the bombing attack on the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen in which 17 sailors died. In other attacks Saturday, police reported bombings near the U.S. consulate in Bali and at the Philippine consulate in the Indonesia city of Manado. No injuries were reported in either.

After an emergency cabinet meeting, Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri flew here to see the devastation, which was centered at a popular club, the Sari.

According to police accounts, the attack came Saturday night about 11:30 p.m. when a small, homemade bomb went off in front of one disco, Paddy's, followed by a huge blast about 30 yards down the street at the Sari Club. The second bomb, hidden in the Toyota, ripped into the open-air bar, triggering a massive burst of flames caused by gas cylinders used for cooking. The subsequent fires and explosions flattened about 20 buildings and much of the block, trapping victims under flaming debris.

"This bombing is a warning to all of us that terrorism is a real danger and potential threat to national security," Megawati said. "The Indonesian government will continue cooperation with the international community to overcome terrorism."

Indonesia has been under growing pressure to deal with Islamic militancy, and today's blast brought new demands from abroad for action. Although Indonesia's Muslim population is overwhelmingly moderate, U.S. officials have said the country's geography – 17,000 islands offering myriad ports of entry that are difficult to control - makes it easy for militants to penetrate and operate away from official scrutiny. Bali, a largely Hindu enclave, had previously been considered immune to political violence.

Megawati's chief security minister vowed that the attack in Bali would force the Indonesian government to strengthen its efforts at tackling terrorism. "This incident has created a turning point and from now on the government will not be able to entertain doubts about harsh action," the minister, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, told Indonesian reporters.

He added that the Indonesian government has a suspicion who was behind the bombing but declined to provide details. Several foreign diplomats said they suspect the work of the Jemaah Islamiyah, a militant Islamic network in Southeast Asia that intelligence officials say is led by radical Indonesian cleric Abubakar Baasyir, and linked to al Qaeda.

Boyce, the U.S. Ambassador, told the Associated Press that while it was not possible to pin the attack on al Qaeda, there has been growing evidence that the network of Osama bin Laden has been reaching out to local militants.

"In recent weeks, we have been able to put to an end a year of speculation as to whether al Qaeda might be in Indonesia, or relocating to Indonesia, or using Indonesia as a base of operations, after the fall of Afghanistan," he said.

Howard, the Australian prime minister, said, "We would like to see a maximum effort on the part of the Indonesian government to deal with the terrorist problem within their own borders. It's been a problem for a long time."

Jusuf Wanandi, founder of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Jakarta, said Megawati's government must now act "for their own survival and for the republic's survival." Failure to do so "will damage the credibility of Indonesia." He added, "If she does not make a real effort to combat terrorism, the number one backlash will be from the international community."

Australia said it was sending sending an investigative team, including some forensic specialists, to help with the investigation. The U.S. has also dispatched a regional security officer from the embassy in Jakarta and an FBI agent from Singapore to help, officials said.

Before the Bali bombing, the United States has been urging Indonesia to investigate more vigorously some earlier attacks. In particular, U.S. officials want to see the police actively pursue a Sept. 23 grenade explosion outside an American embassy house in central Jakarta. Indonesian and Western officials said the blast was a bungled attempt by Islamic militants to attack a U.S. target. The police have dismissed the grenade explosion as debt-collection effort gone awry unrelated to terrorism.

U.S. officials also signaled that they are preparing to withdraw about 100 non-essential diplomats and 250 embassy family members from Jakarta as a security measure. They said they were still awaiting a decision by Bush administration officials in Washington to proceed with the move.

The last time the embassy sent home staff was during the 1998 riots that led to President Suharto's downfall.

A withdrawal of U.S. diplomats could further sour the confidence of investors and enthusiasm of tourists for Indonesia. The Indonesian economy is already struggling to recover from the 1997 Asian financial crisis and tourism, a crucial component of the economy, was dealt a major setback by the Saturday attack in Bali, which offers tropical beaches, lush forests and a mystical aura for tourists.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2516)10/13/2002 10:31:46 PM
From: Victor Lazlo  Respond to of 8683
 
Bin Laden’s Brother-in-Law Khalifa Behind Bali Bombings
DEBKAfile Special Report 13 October

No group claimed responsibility for the two car bombs that turned the Indonesian island paradise of Bali into a fiery inferno Saturday, October 12, killing close to 200 and maiming many hundreds. But the hand of al Qaeda was hard to miss.
According to DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources, Osama Bin Laden’s own brother in law, Mohammed Khalifa, overall operations chief for al Qaeda in Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and other parts of South East Asia, engineered the Bali horror
Not only did the brutal massacre bear all the hallmarks of Osama bin Laden’s deadly network, it occurred on the second anniversary of the day that a suicide cell in a speedboat struck the USS Cole in Aden harbor, six days after a copycat strike against the French oil tanker Limburg off the Yemeni coast, four days after a US Marine was killed and another wounded in a shooting attack in Kuwait, and just about a week after the recorded voices of Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zawahri scattered dire threats over the Arab satellite TV station, Al Jazeera.
The time spread is too tight to be random; the geographical spread too broad for any but a far-flung network. The ability to strike where least expected is a recurring feature in Osama bin Laden’s blood-spattered record. But the Islamist movement’s affinity with Iraq is the common thread running through the al Qaeda terror offensive erupting this month.
The two Kuwait assailants, who were shot dead themselves, had trained in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. The Yemen Abu Abayda Islamic Army, associated with al Qaeda, posted a message claiming a US frigate was its first target, but bombing the French oil tanker was just as good because the French were also infidels and willing to fight Iraq alongside America.
The Indonesian government, insistently warned that terror was brewing in the sprawling country, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, has failed to stand up to the strong opposition to preventive arrests of suspected terrorists without irrefutable evidence. Some Muslim factions claim a crackdown on the extremists and their front organizations, who are grouped under the umbrella Jemaah Islamiya, would only enhance their glamour in the eyes of the Muslim masses. In the days of President Suharto, the Muslim right was at the forefront of the political opposition. Its leaders were imprisoned, to emerge after his resignation in 1998 as popular heroes.
Abu Bakar Ba’asyir, who fled to Malaysia, returned home to lead the Jemaah Islamiya, the JI, with the aim of setting up an Islamic state in Indonesia. Inspired by Hasan al-Banna, founder of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, he preached jihad as the means to that end. Laterm falling under the influence of al Qaeda, the JI went international. Malaysia and Singapore say it is the aim of Jemaah Islamiya, to set up an Islamic state in South East Asia covering Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and the southern Philippines. They accuse the Megawati government of being soft on the group because Ba’asyir has sympathizers in her government.
In December 2001, three months after the 9/11 attacks on the WorldTradeCenter and Pentagon, the Singapore authorities arrested fifteen Muslim extremists suspected of acting for al Qaeda. Thirteen were identified as members of the JI, of whom eight were trained in Afghanistan camps. They were alleged to be plotting to bomb a bus ferrying US troops and US naval vessels docked in Singapore.
Singapore senior minister Lee Kuan Yew stated on May 2002 that interrogation of the suspects had disclosed their linkso Abu Bakar Ba’asyir and the JI.
One of Ba’asyir’s closest associates, Abu Jibril aka Fihiruddin is believed to be the financial bagman for al Qaeda in the region. Another, Hambali, aka Nurjaman, described by Lee as Ba’asyir’s senior lieutenant, has been linked to a wave of bombings in Indonesia in December 2000 and attacks in Manila. Suspected of direct links with al Qaeda, his current whereabouts are unknown
The writing was on the wall for those who would read it. The government in Djakarta was warned by Washington that terrorist attacks were brewing. Australian officials, confirming this, furiously accused Indonesia Sunday night of ignoring warnings and a failure of intelligence.
Three quarters of the Bali victims were foreigners - the largest group Australian. Among the hundreds missing were members of the Australian, Singaporean and Hong Kong rugby teams. Australian Prime Minister John Howard declared the war on terror must go on with unrelenting vigor. Earlier he ordered an urgent security review. “People should get out of their minds that it can’t happen here; it can and it has happened to our own on our doorstep,” he said.
The Bali atrocity has finally hammered home that al Qaeda is on the rampage again and has more terror attacks in store. Senator Richard Shelby, top ranking Republican on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told ABCTV: “I believe that this is the beginning of a lot more that we’re going to see, perhaps in the US, although we hope not.”
Not only the US and Australia, but neighboring Malaysia and Singapore too, charged that the Islamic militant group Jemaah Islamiya is linked to al Qaeda and was planning terrorist attacks. Ba’asyir does not hide his admiration for bin Laden, but denies any terror connections. Two weeks ago, he threatened to sue Time Magazine for defamation after it linked him to terrorist activities. He lives openly in Indonesia because the government says it has no evidence against him. Last week, the US ambassador to Indonesia warned he would withdraw embassy staff unless security was improved, after a grenade explosion near the embassy residence on September 23.
After the Bali bombings, US government began considering scaling down its presence in Indonesia, advising Americans to consider whether their presence in the country is essential.
Belatedly, President Megawati Sukarnoputri, after flying to Bali to inspect the wreckage, declared a security alert for strategic targets.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (2516)10/14/2002 12:16:39 AM
From: haqihana  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
Raymond, You need to fear that foreign terrorist because you kissing his ass won't save your life.