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To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (307863)	10/13/2002 2:24:10 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Wonderful post. Can deaf ears hear it? Message #307863 from GROUND ZERO at Oct 13, 2002 8:34 AM The idea of caps reflects my own personal recognition of God's awesomeness... you would certainly show respect to your boss at work, and you would show even greater respect to the President of a country... how much greater respect can you show to the One who Created our very reality? I'm still not sure what you mean by a personal God since you stil

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (307863)	10/13/2002 3:19:38 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

" how can anyone be "friends" with the Creator Himself?" John and the Apostles were friends with the divine creator Jesus! So have hundreds of millions of Christians in the last two thousand years. Since you subscribe to the antichrist rabbinical teachings in the Talmud, you have difficulty understanding spiritual reality. Like the rabbis you follow, God is an abstraction rather than a concrete reality like Jesus Christ. Like the rabbis, you choose to follow the false myths and legends in the Talmud rather than the eyewitness historical accounts in the New Testament. When we choose to follow the irrational and ahistorical fables rather than the solid eyewitness historical facts, it is only natural to believe in lies and nonsense. Modern Jews follow the oral legends in the Talmud invented by the rabbis centuries after the Resurrection of Jesus. The Toledoth Yeshu, the Babylonian Talmud and the Kabbalistic writings are the chief source of these Jewish fables. Jesus is the focal point in this clash of Civilizations between Islam, Talmudic Judaism and Christianity. The Koran, the Babylonian Talmud and the Toledoth Yeshu are the foundational writings for Islam and Judaism. Both are ahistorical books of legends written without respect to historical reality. Christianity, on the other hand, is based upon the solid historical eyewitness accounts recorded in the historical writings of the New Testament. Unlike the oral traditions and legends of Islam and Talmudic Judaism, Christianity a solid historical foundation.

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (307863)	10/13/2002 3:35:50 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

"I'm still not sure what you mean by a personal God since you still didn't define it.." I've defined it a couple of times...let me try it this way; if you think God has a personal interest in what you do or say, then you believe in a personal God. If a person prays to a god they must think that God has a personal interest in them. Silly examples would be a basketball player who blesses himself before a foul shot or a football team that prays before a game. If you think that God caused the big bang which created the universe and has no further interest or influence on it then that, for example, would be an impersonal god. Einstein stated that he did not believe in a personal god but didn't know (hence was agnostic) about what created the universe... Jefferson was a Deist and believed that God created the universe but had no further interest or influence after that.. " Science is it's own religion, along with its own rituals of methodology... science can't answer or explain everything," Completely wrong...science is the antithesis of religion, demanding facts and proof of its laws and theories all verified by experiment and measurement. Religion merely requires belief in its tenets....no proof exists. What have you proven and validated from close observation of personal lives that proves the existence of a god? " I though we were going to refrain from biblical references... but my observations show me that man has attributes of each of the animals, i.e., sly as a fox and so on... by the way, you put those religions in caps, and certainly out of respect for a proper noun and proper name..." I said I wouldn't argue with bible quotes...what I refereed to came from my understanding of the two major American religions. Man has far more attributes of animals than that...man and all forms of animal share many common biological and physiological traits which all tend to support the theory of evolution. The scientific evidence is there to support the evolution of man. That's why I asked about your potential belief in "special creation". Your answers indicate that you do believe in special creation. Do you also believe that there are no other forms of life in the universe, only on Earth? Animals, btw, do have the same likenesses to God you say man has. They do exhibit kindness, charity, and certainly free will and independence. But I do wonder how you know what the likeness of a god is? Re: the hungry lion...humans will also instinctively kill prey when hungry and many human cultures share their food in a hierarchical way. "but he can't tell you or prove to you the book exists.": That's ridiculous...!! You can doubt the existence of a book laid in front of you but not doubt the existence of a god???? "the fact that God exists prior to any beginning can be clearly demonstrated by a close examination of our individual lives" Clearly demonstrated???? I don't think you have provided that nexus in even the remotest way to this point. You may be able to demonstrate why you believe but certainly have given no facts....