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To: LindyBill who wrote (51725)	10/13/2002 12:57:23 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Stephen Ambrose died of Lung Cancer today, age 66. . . . . Too bad his reputation will be hurt by the plagarism. I had no idea he was ill. Very sad. I don't think the alleged plagiarism rose to the level of plagiarism, I think it was a mistake in punctuation. He failed to put quotation marks around a quote, but cited the author. If he intended to steal the material, he would not have cited the author. lclark.edu When you are on law review first year, you do what's called "sub and cite," checking references for substance and making sure the citation form is correct. Historians like Ambrose might consider hiring graduate students to do the same for them. His real "crime" or "sin" was making a lot of money, writing very popular books, which were made into blockbuster movies. One of my history professors called him "Steven Ambrose Inc." with a sneer, and was clearly obsessed with the fact that Ambrose was rich while he himself was still working, teaching at GMU after he had already retired from Berkeley because he couldn't live on his retirement.

To: LindyBill who wrote (51725)	10/13/2002 5:42:23 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 281500

No, we are much too far apart on the Israeli-Palestinian stuff to ever agree. I can't even seem to find common ground; nor, I gather, can you. I was just, as I usually do, noting that we are at different places. Mine is twofold. First, since much of the posting forgets the settlement issue, which to me is central, I wanted to bring that up. And, second, it continues to look to me as if the zealots on both sides will soon control the political process (as opposed to the semi-zealots at the moment). If I'm right, and I certainly hope not, it gets worse. As I have said before, and you will probably agree, Sharon would be nuts to do anything before the Iraq dust settles. Bill, it's not at all clear to me that Sharon wants to do a deal or will get a chance to do a deal. On the latter point, the chance to do a deal, if the Islamists take over, there is certainly no deal there and part of the reason they will have power is because of the Sharon govt's actions. On the former, whether Sharon actually wants a deal even if he had the proverbial good partner to deal with, it's just not clear. A very strong case can be made that one of the strong currents in place right now on the Israeli side makes the two state solution more difficult. As in a continuation of the present political tilt. Had not seen that about Ambrose. An interesting thing there about our tastes. We tend to enjoy the same books, though, obviously, for different reasons. However, in this case, not so. I was never enamored of his stuff. Read a couple; can't recall which. They were ones he wrote in recent years. Friends have told me his earlier work was much better.