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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52049)	10/14/2002 6:37:31 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

Nadine, I knew you would notice the "6,000 civilians dead" comment as well....I was surprised zonder didn't find a link to back up that charge.... He was the one that made it. Most of us do try to back up our "charges" unless we are just, of course, giving our opinion....

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52049)	10/15/2002 4:13:22 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine - Here are some links that say far more than 600 civilians have been killed. I cannot believe you really believing that 600 figure... Haven't you heard that American planes bombed a village while they were celebrating a wedding (in celebration, they fire guns to the sky, the plane thought they were aiming him) and in that single incident some hundreds died? I recently read the new estimate of 6,000, but do not remember where, so, of course, you don't have to take my word for it. Below, please find some quite serious studies on the civilian death toll in Afghanistan. One reason why some are at about 3,500 levels might be that they are not up to date. My personal favourite is the excel spreadsheet that shows not only the pictures from sites but the dates, weapons, sources, and naturally, the estimated civilian deaths. Excel sheet of daily civilian deaths (3,100-3,600)– complete with photos, estimated dates, weapons, and sources. cursor.org 3,000-3,400 (7 Oct 2001- March 2002) cursor.org Now, for the first time, a systematic independent study has been carried out into civilian casualties in Afghanistan by Marc Herold, a US economics professor at the University of New Hampshire. Based on corroborated reports from aid agencies, the UN, eyewitnesses, TV stations, newspapers and news agencies around the world, Herold estimates that at least 3,767 civilians were killed by US bombs between October 7 and December 10, 2001. That is an average of 62 innocent deaths a day - and an even higher figure than the 3,234 now thought to have been killed in New York and Washington on September 11. guardian.co.uk Enjoy :)