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To: Dan3 who wrote (153313)10/14/2002 10:41:26 PM
From: i-node  Respond to of 1585192
 
No system is perfect ...

Let me suggest a little experiment for you.

Every morning for the next year or so, walk out your back door and pitch a pound of fresh, red meat on the ground.

Come back in a year and tell me what has happened.

Understand that humans are animals, too.



To: Dan3 who wrote (153313)10/14/2002 11:14:37 PM
From: Joe NYC  Respond to of 1585192
 
Dan,

Look at table 6 on page 20. Definition 4 excludes transfer payments (Social Security, Veteran's Benefits, Educational Assistance, Railroad Retirement, Medicare, Welfare, etc.) and leaves 20% of households with 0.9% of the income. The top 20% get 55.6% of the income - about 60 times as much on a per household basis.

Ok, I see what you are saying. I thought you were talking strictly about Earned Income Tax credit.

No system is perfect, but I think our balance of "here you are" welfare and "get a job or starve" has been better than that of most societies. In recent years, we've been moving away from that balance, and I think it's starting to damage the economy.

The benefits have not been reduced, and if more of the 20% move to workforce, I can't see anything other than economic benefits. There is a huge difference between a person sitting around watching Oprah and someone working some kind of job. I think the trend in the employment % has been moving up after the welfare reforms (federal and state). I don't know what the recession will do to this trend, but hopefully, it will continue after the recession.

I see a bigger problem for the economy and the society if the trend was in other direction - more people out of work force receiving some kind of assistance, but living in a complete disconnect with economic realities.

Joe



To: Dan3 who wrote (153313)10/15/2002 4:19:18 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 1585192
 
Look at table 6 on page 20. Definition 4 excludes transfer payments (Social Security, Veteran's Benefits, Educational Assistance, Railroad Retirement, Medicare, Welfare, etc.) and leaves 20% of households with 0.9% of the income.

That is a very misleading definition as these people do get transfer payments and/or EITC.

Tim