To: Jamey who wrote (33596 ) 10/15/2002 8:24:27 PM From: Stan Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621 James, I am not trying to force statements from you. I certainly don't take your statements personally, for you have not become accusatory or disagreeable in your presentation, which is to your credit as a brother in Christ. I want to know why you believe what you do, that's all. Rightly dividing the Word is our responsibility as believers. And, it takes serious, spirit-led study and humility to understand the full counsel of God in His Word. I have a lot of difficulty with what you are saying about the second coming of Christ. You say that the apostles believed in the return being only a few years to fulfillment (by 70 AD). Can you tell me then, why Peter states: "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."The Jews are laughing, The Islamic faith is gaining many converts because of this very teaching of Parousia delay. The agnostic books written concerning this very subject, that Jesus was a false prophet because his prophesies were not fulfilled, according to you and your doctrines, has caused many to doubt instead of a relationship with the true God of all creation, the Saviour of the world, Jesus the Christ. The "sweet bye and bye, pie in the sky" promises that are routinely changed when the rapture fails to materialize is no doctrine taught in the Bible. Your statement sounds like the very thing Peter predicts through the Spirit and his answer is then appropriate to a delayed coming. For, he states, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Peter wrote 2 Peter about 63 to 65 AD. If the promise was fulfilled in 70 AD, then what is the purpose of these words, especially about the "thousand years"? Thoughts? Stan