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To: pbull who wrote (8158)10/15/2002 10:08:00 PM
From: orkrious  Respond to of 89467
 
but it wouldn't take much to beat a 1% money-market return

beats losing money



To: pbull who wrote (8158)10/15/2002 11:09:28 PM
From: SOROS  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
GREAT STUFF

"What has distinguished this recession from past recessions is the careless behavior of financial institutions as lenders, and consumers as borrowers. The consumer increased his debt load borrowing more money as debt levels soared, savings plummeted and spending multiplied. The consumer’s mantra has become “eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.” What makes this recession different from others preceding it is the complete abandonment of sound financial principles. Banks have become more aggressive in their lending to consumers, especially with sub par borrowers. Consumers, on the other hand, have jettisoned savings and spending restraints in favor of a borrowing and spending binge. With the stock market no longer providing a cushion to net worth, homeowners are tapping into their home equity to pay bills and support consumption. None of this is healthy. It tells me that a day of reckoning is fast approaching. You can’t have general prosperity based on debt. Debt gave us the bubble, debt gave us a mild recession, debt gave us a feeble recovery, and debt will bring this market and economy to its knees. I have yet to discover any empire throughout history that has prospered on account of debt. In most cases the rise in unprecedented debt signaled the empire’s fall."

financialsense.com



To: pbull who wrote (8158)10/16/2002 6:33:15 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Mid Week Market Analysis

amateur-investors.com

10/15/02

So far so good as the market continues to rally off of the potential Double Bottom pattern that was completed last week. Although I would have preferred to have seen the market pull back for a few days before getting an O'Neil follow through day Tuesday's action certainly could signal one. However I would caution you that the major averages (Dow, Nasdaq and S&P 500) have rallied an average of 15% since making a bottom early last Thursday and there is a strong possibility that some backing and filling of this large gap up will occur before this week is over with. A chart of the Dow back in 1998 shows there were three separate pullbacks as the Dow rallied nearly 2000 points from early October until the end of November after it made a Double Bottom pattern. The first pullback occurred after the Dow rallied from points A to B, the second pullback occurred after the Dow rallied from points C to D and the third took place after the Dow rallied from points E to F before the Dow made another surge upward by the middle part of November (points G to H).

As far as the major averages (Dow, Nasdaq and S&P 500) all three of them have now rallied above their 50 Day Exponential Moving Averages (EMA) denoted by the solid green lines after developing potential Double Bottom patterns.

If a pullback does develop before the end of the week the major averages shouldn't retrace more than 31.8% of there initial moves from last Thursday's bottoms to their Tuesday's highs to remain constructive. The key level to watch in the Dow on any pullback attempt would be near 7918 (31.8% of 1058 point move since last Thursday) which also corresponds to its 20 Day EMA (blue line). In the Nasdaq the key level to watch would be near 1227 (31.8% of 174 point move since last Thursday) while in the S&P 500 the key level to watch is around 845 (31.8% of 113 point move since last Thursday) which is fairly close to its 20 Day EMA. It will be important for the major averages not to drop below these retracement levels on the first pullback for this rally to remain constructive going forward.



To: pbull who wrote (8158)10/16/2002 12:23:23 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Is Buffett buying?

Rumors abounded Tuesday that the Oracle of Omaha was getting out of bonds, and getting into stocks.

October 15, 2002: 4:11 PM EDT
By Justin Lahart, CNN/Money Staff Writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Does Warren Buffett think the worst is over?

According to several sources, rumors abounded Tuesday that Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway was unloading a big position in zero-coupon Treasurys and shifting into securities tied to the stock market.

"I'm hearing this from enough areas that I'm giving credence to it," said D.A. Davidson bond trader Mary Ann Hurley of the rumor. "Buffett is definitely a person who likes to play the odds, and in this case the bet seems reasonable -- he's playing the thought that interest rates aren't going to go much lower from a 40-year low."

Berkshire Hathaway didn't return calls for comment.

Any Treasury buyer hopes that interest rates will head lower, but zero-coupons are the highest-stakes bet you can make. With zero-coupon bonds, also called STRIPS, there are no interest payouts: You buy the bond at a discount and receive face value when it matures. That feature makes zeros react much more strongly to interest rate movements.

In selling zeros -- that is, betting against rates falling further -- Buffett would signal a reluctance to believe that the economy is on its way to a double-dip recession.

One of the chief worries among investors is that a double dip would foster deflation, which could drive yields on the benchmark 10-year Treasury well below the current 4 percent or so. If, on the other hand, evidence emerges that the recovery is on firm footing, the 10-year yield could head north of 5 percent very quickly. Holding onto zeros would be extremely painful if that happened.

Zero tolerance
Buffett is known for being active in the zero-coupon market. In his 1997 annual letter to shareholders, he disclosed that Berkshire had made a $600 million paper gain on an investment in zero-coupon bonds. Berkshire's present position in zeros is unknown, but according to its latest annual report it held $8.8 billion in Treasury and agency debt at the end of 2001, up from $3.7 billion at the end of 2000.

"Buffett has made timely purchases of STRIPS in the past, so people pay attention" noted Miller Tabak bond strategist Tony Crescenzi.

The chatter was that Buffett was using the cash he raised in his bond sales to buy equity-linked securities, like convertibles bonds -- corporate bonds that convert into stock at maturation. That would be in keeping Buffett's investing style, thinks Mizuho futures strategist Phil Ruffat, since convertibles typically offer investors regular payouts on their way to maturation.

"He would be receiving a stream of income and at the same time getting gains off any price appreciation," said Ruffat.

Because of those payouts, putting money into convertibles wouldn't be as risky as putting them into equities directly. Earlier this year Buffett made investments in two beleaguered firms, Williams and Level 3 Communications, through convertible bonds. Both deals were structured in a way that limited the potential downside to Berkshire.

Miller Tabak's Crescenzi cautioned against putting full faith in the rumors just yet, saying that if Buffett really has been making these moves, we'll likely hear about it in the days to come. As much as they can, the traders involved in the sale would try to keep mum about it until it was finished.

"If it really is going on now, we'll hear more, rather than less, about it later," said Crescenzi.

Find this article at:
money.cnn.com



To: pbull who wrote (8158)10/16/2002 1:06:13 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Sy Harding Sees 40% 'Bear Market Rally': Taking Stock

By Josh P. Hamilton

New York, Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Four days of gains mark the start of a U.S. stock rally that may send benchmark indexes up at least 40 percent, says Sy Harding, who forecast shares' tumble in 2000 and the fleeting rebounds since then.

After reaching five-year lows last Wednesday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average and Standard & Poor's 500 Index each have surged more than 13 percent.

Harding, who says stocks have recorded most of their gains between October and April, said a gauge of momentum -- ``moving average convergence divergence,'' or MACD -- indicates now is the time to go back into stocks.

``I'm now bullish on the market for the rest of the year and well into next year,'' said Harding, 66, an engineer and publisher of the five-year-old Street Smart Report newsletter. He's a technical analyst, who studies trading patterns and charts and not the fundamentals of companies.

Harding, whose publication fetches $225 a year for an online subscription, has correctly called the turns in the current bear market, which has erased $7.8 trillion of investor wealth since March 2000. Most recently, Harding in June said the S&P 500 would slide to around 765, matching the 49 percent average peak-to- trough decline for the 10 worst bear markets on record. The benchmark reached 768 on Oct. 10 before rebounding.

Now, he said the Dow would rise to 10,300, a 41 percent gain from last week's low, and the S&P 500 would reach 1100, 42 percent more than the five-year low reached last week.

Trader's Almanac

According to Yale Hirsch, publisher of the Stock Trader's Almanac, timing the market by the calendar works.

An investor who placed $10,000 in the S&P 500 in 1950, shifted to fixed-income securities on April 30 each year and back into the S&P 500 each Nov. 1 would have reaped $363,353 over 50 years. Investing $10,000 in S&P 500 stocks from May through October during that time would have yielded $11,574.

When Hirsch re-ran his numbers on the S&P 500 using Harding's MACD refinement, $10,000 invested in 1950 grew to $901,761 through 1999.

MACD on Oct. 11 indicated the start of Harding's ``favorable season,'' as stocks rebounded from their lows and gathered momentum for further gains.

Harding's system starts with the historical observation that most stock gains occur between November and April, driven in part by pension-fund contributions and year-end bonuses flowing into the market.

Harding then overlays MACD to time two annual shifts: Into stocks on the first buy signal after Oct. 1, and back out on the first sell signal after April 1.

The system called for buying equities last Oct. 1 and then selling them April 9. An investor following that advice with an S&P 500 index fund would have banked a gain of about 8 percent during that period, then shifted into cash through last week.

Buying and holding for the entire period yielded a 19 percent loss.

Turning Point

Beyond ``normal seasonality,'' Harding said the S&P 500 is trading 40 percent below its 200-day average, suggesting sellers may have overreacted.

Other technical analysts said that more gains lie ahead.

``This is the beginning of a three- or four-month rally,'' said Philip Roth, chief technical analyst at Miller Tabak & Co. ``There's no long-term trend, so you've got to be willing to play these kind of swings.''

Just 19 percent of New York Stock Exchange stocks traded above their 200-day moving average last week, indicating stocks were ``way oversold,'' Roth said.

``I have a rule to buy when the number falls below 20 percent, like it did at the July bottom,'' Roth said. That bottom was followed by a four-week, 21 percent rally for the S&P 500.

Another indicator, the NYSE Short-Term Trading Index, last week gave its most positive signals since the 1987 crash, Roth said. The index, which measures average volume for rising stocks relative to average volume for falling stocks, fell below 0.50 for two consecutive days Thursday and Friday. It was only the second time in 40 years that advancers had twice the average volume as decliners for two straight days, Roth said.

Overvalued

The bad news is that investors looking for an end to the bear market may have to wait until late next year, said Harding, who built and sold two manufacturing businesses before founding Asset Management Research Corp. in Meredith, New Hampshire, 15 years ago.

Stocks aren't cheap by historical standards, he said. The S&P 500 sells for 31 times the past 12 months' earnings, compared with a historical price-earnings ratio of 17, according to Standard & Poor's. Harding also expects the economy to relapse into recession.

Still, some investors expect a sustainable rally.

``I'm more bullish,'' said Joseph Zock, president and chief investment officer at Capital Management Associates, which oversees about $1.5 billion. There's plenty of money in the financial system, ``low inventories, and relatively healthy employment,'' Zock said. ``That's a pretty good foundation for the economy regardless of the psychology of the stock market.''