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To: Zardoz who wrote (90634)10/17/2002 10:07:48 AM
From: Professor Dotcomm  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116791
 
Who knows? Perhaps soon they will be discussing James Bond and "The Man with the Golden Gun".



To: Zardoz who wrote (90634)10/17/2002 11:17:58 AM
From: Gary H  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116791
 
When this thread has nothing concrete to say about gold, it turn to many another subject. Distraction from reality?



To: Zardoz who wrote (90634)10/17/2002 11:53:34 AM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116791
 
Moneynews.com
1. How Solid is Gold?
Portfolio managers say investors who don't invest in gold are making a big mistake.

Barton Biggs, Morgan Stanley's global strategist and former gold bear, is now a gold bull.

"A horse I've never believed in is gold, for all the conventional reasons," he tells the Financial Times. "But now I am changing what's left of my mind."

Gold is a long-term store of value as well as a liquid, internationally-recognized asset of last resort. Experts say it can diversify and stabilize a portfolio.

In the event of a full-scale war with Iraq, gold prices could shoot higher, although historians note during the Gulf War gold rose temporarily and then fell back as the war was seen to be moving against Saddam Hussein.

Although investment demand for gold has picked up, the market is still relatively small. The Financial Times reports only 10 percent of the demand for gold is for investment purposes compared with 80 percent for jewelry. And gold mining stocks are also a tiny market. Global mining experts believe current share prices are being discounted.

Since the market is so small, any further increase in demand can have a big impact on the price.

Financial advisers warn investors need to treat the metal as a trading asset and not a buy-and-hold investment.

2. Searching for Profits - It's Possible
The stock market is pitiless - it's the second-worst bear market since the Great Depression - but profits are possible.

Kiplinger's Personal Finance suggests giving stock-picking a rest and opt for mutual funds instead. One noted do-gooder in today's market madness: Royce Opportunity Fund, which has jumped nine percent since March 2000 and invests in small, undervalued companies.

The fund's mission: find businesses whose pieces would fetch more than the company's stock market value, companies that recover after missteps, companies that are cheap growth stocks, and those companies that have collapsed after their initial public offerings.

It seems to be working. The fund earned an annualized 17 percent over four years ending July 1, beating the Russell 2000 Value Index, which posts a seven percent gain per year.

Clearly small-cap momentum is very strong, says Roger Ibbotson, professor at Yale School of Management. He adds that since World War II, periods during which small stocks outpaced large ones have averaged five years.

But Kiplinger's notes there are no certainties in investing. Ridding your portfolio of funds that invest in large companies would be a mistake.

In this time of uncertainty, Kiplinger's says small dividend payments can mean a lot. Clipper Fund has outpaced its peers by investing in large, dividend-paying companies, yielding 1.3 percent last year.

Kiplinger's suggests most investors should have about 40 to 50 percent of their assets devoted to stocks of large companies with the bulk of that in funds that own undervalued stocks.

3. Dow 3,600?
Pessimists argue investors should start planning for Dow 3,600.

Nelson D. Schwartz of Fortune Magazine writes while he doesn't believe the perma-bears are right, given the mess out there, the pessimists are worth hearing out.

The bearish case isn't as far-fetched as you might think, he says. Stalwart companies like Ford Motors are near lows not seen since the recession of 1991. The worst losses have occurred in sectors such as banks and utilities.

And equities are not cheap, even with the beating the market took so far this year. The typical S&P 500 stock is selling at 17 times this year's projected earnings. Portfolio managers say we are making up for the late 1990s partying.

History haunts the most pessimistic market watchers these days. Many bears are using the 1973-1974 market decline as a guide. Similarities exist: threats of war, problems overseas, and an ensuing oil embargo. Plus, the crisis of confidence shot Wall Street in the arm, only it was Watergate. Today, it's Wall Street; perhaps a self-inflicted wound.

Financial experts tell Schwartz things will get worse. They say the situation is more analogous to the U.S. in the years following the Crash of 1929 and expect earnings growth to remain in the doldrums until 2005.

The biggest bear scare is deflation. If it hits, as several bear pundits believe it will, companies will have little ability to maintain prices, let alone increase them. Earnings will plunge as prices decline.

Jeremy Grantham, a Boston-based money manager, tells Fortune Magazine the market is also overvalued, but refuses to make predictions.

"There are no rules," he says. "Who knows where the bottom will be some ugly August afternoon? Based on past bear markets, it would be almost unusual not to reach the 5,000s, and typical to go to the 4,000s."

4. Short-seller Racks Up 66% Profits
"We had a party that wouldn't stop that essentially was like being on cocaine and tequila," says Prudent Bear money manager David Tice. "Now we have a hangover, and we're paying the price for it."

But Tice is not, notes Business Week. In fact, his party is just getting started.

His Prudent Bear mutual fund is up 65.9 percent, while the S&P 500 index is off by at least 26 percent. Over the past two-and-a-half years, Prudent Bear was up 107 percent versus a 30 percent drop in the S&P 500.

"We're making good money," Tice says. "But I'm not cheering for any of this."

When the market is good, he adds more long positions. Business Week reports Prudent Bear is 65 percent short, 20 percent long, and 15 percent in cash.

Tice's secret? He highlights the potential pitfalls on Wall Street. But he hasn't always been profitable. When he launched Prudent Bear in 1995, the fund racked up losses as the market celebrated huge gains. Still, he hung in there, adding that his bear case is based on solid analytical research of individual companies, the stock market and economic history.

His determination has paid off. His current faves include gold stocks, in which he has long positions, and two-year Treasury bonds.

His advice for investors: Think like a squirrel in terms of storing their nuts and take care of their finances.



To: Zardoz who wrote (90634)10/17/2002 2:58:35 PM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116791
 
Haven't you heard of the man with the golden gun?
This talk was just a lead in to that.

also the man with a golden arm.

Goldfinger.

etc etc...



To: Zardoz who wrote (90634)10/17/2002 3:54:46 PM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116791
 
OT
Didn't like us talking guns, you'll hate this:
GOOD NEWS FROM CANADA!
By: Jim Moore
etherzone.com

I hope I'm not caught giving you criminals this information, but it's time
you guys got a break. So here it is. It won't be long and you'll have
another happy hunting ground. This one in the Big North Country.

I just got a letter from a gentleman in Vancouver, B.C., who tells me that
in Canada compulsory registration of firearms will kick in on January 1st.
That's only a few weeks away!
Isn't that marvelous?

Now, don't get discouraged over what you hear about people keeping guns
these days. In America, for example, we hear "patriotic" stuff like this
all the time:

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." -
Second Amendment.

And "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave
them." - George Mason.

And "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed--unlike citizens
of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with
arms." - James Madison.

And "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson.

In Canada there is still some of that same gung-ho spirit left. So if you
hold up a store, or rob a house, or beat up an old lady, you can get shot.

But be patient. Once their firearms are registered, it's only a matter of
time until they're confiscated, then you guys will be free to do your thing.

That's what happened in Australia--or haven't you heard? They finally made
firearms illegal, and the bully boys down there are having a field day,
because nobody has weapons to stop them.

Let's face it, it's a gold mine down under, fellas.

And now the dumb politicians are doing the very same thing in Canada--first
registering weapons, then eventually disarming the country to give you boys
the edge. Once the government knows who has guns, rounding them up will be
quick and easy.

Isn't that great news!

Of course, one man's gun is another man's loss. You guys will be free to
murder, rape and rob, because you sure in hell aren't about to register
YOUR firearms.

On the other hand, the "responsible" gun owners who the government
eventually makes defenseless pushovers will be in danger of losing their
money, their possessions, their protection, sometimes even their lives.

But beware, those tough Canucks won't give up easily.

In the North Country, it's essential to have firearms because the people up
there supplement their food by game meat. Also, guns protect them against
bears and wolves and other dangerous animals--pardon the expression, like
you guys.

So naturally many Canadians won't register all the guns they own, which
will automatically make criminals out of decent citizens. But don't sweat
it. You're better at crime than they are because you've been at it longer.

In closing, let me warn you about one thing. It's true, you guys who commit
crimes may soon have it made in Canada, but you won't get off that easy in
America. Because if we're forced to give up our weapons we'll just sit back
and you'll get stuck fighting the terrorists.

Because you'll be the only ones able to.
---
Jim Moore is a free-lance political writer and is a regular columnist for
Ether Zone.
Jim Moore can be reached at Jmoore1819@aol.com
A list of works by Jim Moore can be seen at the American Reformation
Project website
americanreformation.org