To: Srexley who wrote (309396 ) 10/18/2002 1:21:05 AM From: MSI Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 That's tunnel vision, again. Your interpretation of my comments are all Bush-centric, when they are about the Republic and the destruction of our rule of law by the growth of presidential power in general, not just Bush, altho' this administration is the culmination of many decades of these abuses. Forget about Bush for a second: the public's information is EVERYTHING that the public pays for, with the sole exception of bona-fide military secrets, of which there are almost none. 98% of the "national security" nonsense after FOIA releases turns out to be CYA and coverage for incompetence, criminality and treason, even at the highest levels (see "Operation Northwoods" in the National Archives for example) As far as Bush, only criminal acts, public corporate acts and political actions qualify for Bush, just as for Clinton or others. Harkin is already in the public domain, with the exception of anything Bush & Co. are still trying to hide, probably their embarassment, considering his public pronouncements on corporate malfeasance. GOP's actions in the Clinton administration shows both the value, and the shameful excesses of the adversarial system. Were it not for GOP pushing politically-motivated pornography in each morning's newspapers things neither Clinton nor any decent American would want there, it wouldn't have been such an excess of bad taste and hypocracy. The adversarial atmosphere had the salutary effect, however, of putting every action of the president and the Dems into the bright light of public scrutiny. Rather than being bad, this resulted in thorough debate, and extremely high confidence among American people that things were going ok in the den of inequity in the Beltway. Now, however, there is a fascist tendency to squash dissent and debate, calling dissenters "treasonous" and "un-American", when its just the opposite. This causes decreased confidence and increased suspicion, as well as crippled debate and bad policy. It's as if the preferred debating tactics for the GOP are yelling, insults, fear of death, and pornography. What inspires most Americans is reasoned debate, of which there is a scarcity on both sides of the isle. The only solution is full disclosure of all public information, every public dollar, program and person and what they are up to, with only bona-fide military secrets excepted, of which there are almost none.