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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52805)10/18/2002 4:14:48 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 281500
 
The Mullahs know what you are worth, Nadine.

>>>Modern Problems
It may be 2002, but Iranian women are struggling to bring their country into the 20th century. "Iranian women began talks with Islamic clerics on Tuesday to demand that 'blood money' compensation for a murdered woman should equal that of a man," Reuters reports:

Iran's penal code has kept an old Islamic definition of blood money as one of the following: 100 camels, 200 cows, 1,000 sheep, 200 silk dresses, 1,000 gold coins, or 10,000 silver coins. But authorities have set cash equivalents to simplify matters. Iran's judiciary has set the amount that a killer can pay to his victim's family to avoid execution at a flat $18,750 for a murdered man, and half of that for a woman.

The wire service quotes one "high-ranking cleric": "Some preparations have been made to get it approved, but it is clearly stipulated in the Koran that women get half blood money."<<<
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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52805)10/18/2002 11:55:07 AM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I think it's very common to be liberal in youth but become more conservative as you experience life. School teachers and college professors are idealistic, but real life isn't anything like the ideal world.

I did have a very good high school teacher, in a civics class entitled Problems of Democracy, who told us, every time I read an opinion expressed in the newspaper, to look out my window and see if they were right.

I was very liberal when I was young, and my journey right was very much like yours. I heard a speech by William F. Buckley, and heard the ring of truth in his voice.

I asked myself, "what if he's right?"

I decided to take what he said and see if his point of view fit the world better than the point of view I already had, and it did.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52805)10/18/2002 12:53:49 PM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 281500
 
Giving Krauthammer his first forum was one of the best things Marty Peretz ever did. Of course,ironically, he went beyond the neo- liberalism of The New Republic, and became a neoconservative. Also, the predictive test is a very good one, and can be used on any number of policy disputes. I used to watch Washington Week in review, in the early 80's. Al Hunt was never right, and Charlie McDaniels (a conservative gent from the Richmond daily) was the most accurate observer/predictor.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52805)10/18/2002 1:26:23 PM
From: Win Smith  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
While you're off tracking history, you might want to look up the history of Pakistan on the nuke front, and the long line of US administrations that dutifully certified that no development on the proliferation front was taking place there. You may then move on to today's story, nytimes.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52805)10/18/2002 1:34:38 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Nadine:

A quick search on Krauthammer returned a recent column wherein he wrote: ``This nation is prepared to present its case against the Soviet threat to peace, and our own proposals for a peaceful world, at any time and in any forum--in the Organization of American States, in the United Nations, or in any other meeting that could be useful--(BEG ITAL)without limiting our freedom of action." (Emphasis added.) --President John F. Kennedy, Cuban Missile Crisis, address to the nation, Oct. 22, 1962

``I'm waiting for the final recommendation of the Security Council before I'm going to say how I'm going to vote.'' --Sen. Edward Kennedy, Iraq crisis, address to the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, Sept. 27, 2002 WASHINGTON--

How far the Democrats have come. Forty years ago to the month, President Kennedy asserts his willingness to present his case to the United Nations, but also his determination not to allow the U.N. to constrain America's freedom of action. Today, his brother, a leader of the same party, awaits the guidance of the U.N. before he will declare himself on how America should respond to another nation threatening the United States with weapons of mass destruction. Ted Kennedy is not alone. Much of the leadership of the Democratic Party is in the thrall of the United Nations. War and peace hang in the balance. The world waits to see what the American people, in Congress assembled, will say. These Democrats say: Wait, we must find out what the U.N. says first.


First, JFK had photographic evidence of a Soviet arms build up Cuba that directly threatened the US because - unlike Iraq which is half a world away, Cuba is a mere 60 miles from our shores. JFK presented his "proposals for a peaceful world" and saved the day for humanity as a result. And now 40 years later, come hell or high water, Bush and Perle and several CH-ers want to invade now. Fortunately their being held to a higher standard. Now we learn, almost two years into the Bush admin that one of the countries composing his so-called axis of evil has nuclear weaponry. Uh oh, this changes the dynamics for sure.
Back in April 2001, Russia was arming RNK with "modern weaponry". So now Bush etc are suprised that they claim they have nuclear and worse???? That story is then followed by a column written in March 2001 saying Bush was being coerced into war with North Korea by Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Russia, North Korea Sign Arms Deal
NewsMax.com Wires
Saturday, April 28, 2001
MOSCOW (UPI) - Top Russian and North Korean military officials held talks in Moscow on Friday and signed a military cooperation agreement that will provide the Pyongyang regime with a range of modern weaponry, Russia's state-owned RIA Novosti news agency reported.
Deputy Prime Minister Ilya Klebanov, who is charged with overseeing Russia's vast military-industrial complex and Moscow's arms exports, held talks with visiting North Korean Armed Forces Minister Kim Il-Chol, reaching agreement on the deal to modernize North Korea's armaments and defenses.

According to another Russian news agency, Itar-Tass, most of North Korea's air force, which consists primarily of Soviet-made planes, is in urgent need of repairs or replacement.

The military news agency AVN said North Korea is seeking to upgrade its air fleet, mainly comprising MiG-21s.

Klebanov told RIA he did not expect the agreement to harm Moscow's relationship with South Korea.

"Russia's main aim is successful negotiations between North and South Korea," Klebanov said.

Kim, who arrived in Moscow on Thursday, is also meeting Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, and will hold talks with President Vladimir Putin as part of his visit to the Russian capital.

Russian-North Korean relations, which were allowed to decay during Boris Yeltsin's decade-long rule, received a major boost last July when Putin paid a groundbreaking visit to Pyongyang.

Copyright 2001 by United Press International.

Does Bush Want War with North Korea?





By JONATHAN POWER

March 21, 2001

LONDON - It is hard to watch the most sensible foreign policy of the Clinton Administration being crumpled before our eyes. Particularly so when it is being done for the most malevolent of reasons- to resurrect an enemy that had decided to make its peace with America, so that the advocacy of missile defence for America could be seen to be based on a real rogue missile threat rather, than as hitherto, a make believe one.

President George Bush is being given the benefit of the doubt with his new hard line policy towards North Korea, even as he overrides his more far-sighted Secretary of State, Colin Powell. General Powell had tried to get it on to the record, before the Gang of Two, Vice-President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld, could bend the novice president's ear back towards the dark ages, that the Bush Administration intended "to pick up where President Clinton and his administration left off". It is not to be, says Bush. Already his policy of distrust has led to the indefinite postponement by the North Korean leader Kim Jong il of his planned trip to South Korea.

Yet how aware is Mr Bush how dark the age was before ex-president Jimmy Carter flew into Pyongyang and rescued president Bill Clinton from a nose to nose confrontation that could have easily slipped into a new Korean war, with the Pentagon telling Clinton it might lead to 50,000 American dead?

At the time it seemed that the evidence was incontrovertible that North Korea had nuclear weapons, was building more and developing the rockets to carry them as far as Alaska. Now seven years later we can be fairly sure that while it is possible North Korea has plutonium sufficient for one or two nuclear weapons, it is not increasing its stock of plutonium and its rockets, even if they can reach Alaska, are not powerful enough to carry a nuclear payload. The Carter-Clinton deal did bring about a freeze in North Korean nuclear weapons development in return for the commitment to build two nuclear power stations for the country and an end to the long-standing economic embargo. In fact the Clinton administration, whilst moving ahead with South Korea and Japan to construct the civilian power stations, was extraordinarily lethargic about lifting sanctions. Indeed, Mr Clinton only seemed to engage with matters Korean when they were on the edge of the precipice. Yet looking back it was perhaps his greatest foreign policy success. He pulled some nuclear teeth without the painful necessity of military dentistry.

It is a pity he never fully appreciated what he had done. But the Republican foreign policy thinkers did. Always more gung-ho on developing America's own land-based system of missile defence, they knew that the only good case they could cite to prove the necessity for it was North Korea. It is not supposed to break the old time Mutual Assured Destruction relationship with Russia. It is not supposed to neutralize China's deterrent, although it will, since China is not an official "enemy". It can't be used to justify whatever ambitions Iran might have for nuclear weapons since the hostility of now democratic Iran towards the "Great Satan" is much diminished. As for Iraq, thanks to the war, the UN dismantling of its nuclear establishment and the current tight military embargo, Saddam Hussein is light years away from developing long distance rockets with nuclear warheads. Thus it is only North Korea that can even lend the thin veneer of an argument to this cause so dear to the hearts and minds of those in the Republican administration that temperamentally find it hard to live without a military crusade. And they have behind them the might of the powerful lobby of the U.S. arms industry for which a project of this magnitude promises profits and jobs for decades to come.

In June last year South Korea's peace-minded president, Kim Dae jung, travelled North to meet his counterpart, Kim Jong il, in what was by any stretch of the imagination an historic summit. It has set the ball rolling on rapprochement between the two halves of the peninsular, making all manner of difficulties for U.S. foreign policy at large in eastern Asia. A counterpart to Korean pride at the summit's achievements has been a rise in anti-American sentiment in the South. No longer confined to left wing students, mainstream opinion is beginning to wonder about the value of a continued American military presence.

But the ripples run further out that this. Japan that has for long stood four square behind the American military presence in East Asia is now beginning to ask, if there is no longer a need to deter a North Korean attack then is it necessary to have such a large American military presence in Japan? If the sole remaining argument is to balance China, this is, in many influential Japanese eyes, quite counterproductive, working to turn China into the enemy it is not. All along, moreover, the Japanese have held profound reservations about American arguments for missile defence, convinced it will unnecessarily antagonise China.

This brings us to the nub of the argument. China has been an essential interlocutor in persuading Kim Jong il to drop his country's traditional hostile policy to the West. The road to Pyongyang runs, at least for some its length, through Beijing. Washington should expect to be charged a toll, and that for China is an end to America's affair with missile defence.

For Cheney and Rumsfeld, who see missile defence as the cutting edge of a new distinct Republican foreign policy, it must seem as if the growing moves towards peace in the Korean peninsular could end up pulling the rug from underneath them. Distrustful anyway of the North's good intentions and tending to believe that Carter, Clinton and South Korea have been duped, it should come as no surprise they are out to sabotage the peace process.

Only one person stands between them and the ear of the president: Secretary of State Colin Powell. The outcome of this potentially deadly dual in the higher echelons of the U.S. government will probably determine whether we have peace in our time in East Asia or not.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (52805)10/18/2002 2:03:22 PM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: Charles Krauthammer: "The NPT is dead."

Told ya so.

-- Carl