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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (13772)	10/20/2002 9:03:25 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

That clinches it... by that you are carrying the hope that the room next to his has already been filled ? lots of crayons , weaving material , and plenty of quiete time ...number 9, number 9 , number 9 ... ;-) * Maybe it was Socrates & his life all along was the basis and pattern for the story of the later Jesus, and the Christ ? He redeemed us by his devotion to truth and reason? Message 18134874 It's all there , even the willing sacrifice .

To: Solon who wrote (13772)	10/20/2002 9:11:53 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

I find this so very interesting in the Defense of Socrates before his accusers in the Agora...Notice in the opening passages there is even the allusion to him often giving speeches and lessons by the the table of the " money lenders " , hmmm...and all this nearly 400bc, 399yrs before this story of Jesus re-emerges. The Defence of Socrates socrates.clarke.edu How you, O Athenians, have been affected by my accusers, I cannot tell; but I know that they almost made me forget who I was so persuasively did they speak; and yet they have hardly uttered a word of truth. But of the many falsehoods told by them, there was one which quite amazed me; I mean when they said that you should be upon your guard and not allow yourselves to be deceived by the force of my eloquence. To say this, when they were certain to be detected Socrates begs to be allowed to speak in his accustomed manner. as soon as I opened my lips and proved myself to be anything but 17b a great speaker, did indeed appear to me most shameless unless by the force of eloquence they mean the force of truth; for if such their meaning, I admit that I am eloquent. But in how different a way from theirs! Well, as I was saying, they have scarcely spoken the truth at all; but from me you shall hear the whole truth: not, however, delivered after their manner in a set oration duly ornamented with words and phrases. No, by heaven! but I shall use the words and arguments which occur to me at the moment; for I am confident in the justice of my cause: at my time of life I ought not to be appearing before you, O men of Athens, in the character of a juvenile orator - 17c let no one expect it of me. And I must beg of you to grant me favor: If I defend myself in my accustomed manner, and you hear me using the words which I have been in the habit of using in the agora, at the tables of the money-changers, or The Ancient City of Athens anywhere else, I would ask you not to be surprised, and not to interrupt me on this account. For I am more than seventy years of age, and appearing now for the first time in a court of law, I am quite a stranger to 17d the language of the place; and therefore I would have you regard me as if I were really a stranger, whom you would excuse if he spoke in his native tongue, and after the fashion of his country: 18a - Am I making an unfair request of you? Never mind the manner, The judges must excuse Socrates if he defends himself in his own fashion. which may or may not be good; but think only of thetruth of my words, and give heed to that: let the speaker speak truly and the judge decide justly. .... cont'd *** All so very, very co-incidental...somehow I think someone had stolen the libretto of this tragedy play a few centuries later and disguised the main charactors we know were real or from earlier myths, in an updated abridged version to fit their ideal myth/ messiah figure....we know that the Hebrews had borrowed so many myths and ideas from others , and disguised them as their own...and then claiming them as uniquely their own ,and coming from directly "above" . But the truth is they were for quiet a long time under the rule of the Greeks , and the Old Testament exists because of the preservation and translation of it by ...you guessed it --->the Greeks. Of course no one of them then or now would ever admit it to stealing all this stuff, that would be an admission of being inferior , which is impossible for the chosen one's of "God".<G>