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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (53260)10/19/2002 5:24:12 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Total BS. As I've said, Israeli **********CASUALTIES********* will diminish

No one disputes that surrender and withdrawal lead to short-term drops in casualties. That's the appeal of appeasement. But you keep claiming "attacks will stop" if Israel withdraws to "internationally recognized" boundries. In Lebanon, Israel withdrew but attacks increased. In fact, Arafat would not have chosen to start the intifada without reading the "lessons of Lebanon". So you now claim that withdrawal in the face of terror is still a win, because it leads to short-term drop in casualties but long-term open war? LOL.



To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (53260)10/20/2002 1:27:10 AM
From: Hawkmoon  Respond to of 281500
 
I was referring to a historical fact of how Israel was created - mostly through violence and uprooting of the natives.

Can you name another state in the region that wasn't created through violence (in some form or another) and that didn't result in uprooting of the "natives"??

And btw, the British were VERY STRICT, being Arab-philes, with regard to how Jews were permitted to obtain land. They were required to purchase it, or to settle in unoccupied territory (homesteading).

The "uprooting" of the natives only really occurred to any large degree AFTER the neighboring Arab states opted to seek the destruction of Israel.

Some could also state that Jordan was created by imposing a Hashemite Arab monarchy on the "natives" living in that area.

So why are you complaining about that??

The fact is that Israel has left Lebanon, and was only there in the first place because of the PLO presence being permitted to exist there. When they finally completely left, there should have been no further reason for violence of any sort, let alone the formation of a terrorist organization (Hezbollah) occupying vast quantities of Lebanese territory..

Are you crying about the Syrian and Hezbollah occupation of Lebanon?? Why not??

Hawk