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To: LindyBill who wrote (53479)	10/20/2002 4:46:23 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Mark Steyn thinks Barbara Streisand must be a Republican secret agent: Then there's Barbra Streisand, who seems to have swallowed the post-Clinton Democratic party. Once upon a time, there were New Democrats and Yellow Dog Democrats and all kinds of other Democrats, but now there just seem to be Streisand Democrats. We got a strange glimpse of where the muscle really lay in the middle of Campaign 2000: Al Gore, Barbra told TV Guide, "called from Air Force One for advice. I couldn't take the call. I was in the middle of something." These days, whether they call or not, Barbra never stops giving advice. The other week, she sent a long memo to the party's House Leader, Dick Gephardt. It was full of mistakes, beginning with his name ("Dick Gebhardt"). When Matt Drudge, the Internet wag, mocked her for her lousy spelling, she issued a statement blaming it on a new employee and noting that she'd won a spelling bee at school. Next, she stood up at last month's Democratic National Gala and quoted Shakespeare's astonishingly pertinent lines from Julius Caesar: "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervour, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate." That's in Julius Caesar? Sure, it's just before the bit where Caesar says: Friends, Romans, countrymen, countrymen who need countrymen are the luckiest countrymen in the world. When Drudge pointed out that her Shakespeare speech was an Internet hoax, Barbra said who cares? "Whoever wrote this is damn talented, and should be writing their own play." Maybe. But, what with those drums of war whipped into the fever pitch of a double-edged sword, I fear the author may have used up too much of his gift for fresh, vivid imagery in one paragraph. This week, in her latest statement, Barbra has accused Republicans of misrepresenting her "deep opposition to the Iranian dictator, Saddam Hussein". Saddam would like to be the Iranian dictator, but he tried that in the 1980s and it didn't work out. Can't spell, can't spot fake Shakespeare, can't tell one wacky foreigner from another: it's increasingly obvious that Barbra is some deep sleeper planted by the Republicans to discredit the very concept of activist celebrities. Poor old Democrats, in thrall to her fundraising: people who need Barbra are the unluckiest people in the world. opinion.telegraph.co.uk

To: LindyBill who wrote (53479)	10/20/2002 5:48:24 PM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

Their programs were never liked by the AMA Well, once they worked for you is all that matters. An impressive story. An achievement to be most proud of.

To: LindyBill who wrote (53479)	10/20/2002 6:29:13 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

< I took the program, which consisted of setting at a desk, with an electrode connected to my wrist, and smoking while the electrode was used to "Sting" me. This was done once a day for 5 days. The electrode was uncomfortable, but not that painful. After that, I never smoked again. I used their program for Alcohol in '92. That was a 10 day Hospital stay, and they nauseated me, and made me guzzle booze, which I immediately threw up, every other day over 10 days. I never drank again, and attend no meetings. > Speak of the Devil. Freedom and Goose-stepping in aversion therapy madness straight out of "A Clockwork Orange". Lindy, you are the captain of your soul. No need for electrodes and retching chemicals. Deciding what to do is simple. Giving up smoking and drinking [and coffee and weight-lifting and dope and anything else people use to habit-form] are easy. Heck, I've done it hundreds of times. As soon as you really decide something, that's it! No need for any muck. Just decide for yourself what you will and won't do. Go read Tim McVeigh's epitaph. You don't need external agents such as electric shocks and toxins to do your thinking for you. The fun is in taking charge of yourself and rejecting outside influences, such as electric shocks, nausea pills, coffee, cigarettes and booze. You should go and smoke a few cigarettes just to have the fun of deciding not to do it and to prove to you that you are in charge of you and that a plant is not in charge of you and neither is advertizing, social context, nervousness, fear etc. Maybe have a couple of gin and tonics AND some cigarettes to really show who's in charge of you. Who's in charge of me? I AM! NOT Janet Reno and NOT the USA and not cigarettes and not booze and not my friends and not my employer and not my money and not my parents and not the police and not anyone. I am the captain of my soul. Not bloody Mqurice either and I will NOT take his stupid advice. Mqurice

To: LindyBill who wrote (53479)	10/20/2002 7:08:24 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<I used their program for Alcohol in '92. That was a 10 day Hospital stay, and they nauseated me, and made me guzzle booze, which I immediately threw up, every other day over 10 days. I never drank again, and attend no meetings. > These days, rehabs use pheno-barbital as a substitute to wean u off the booze. they figure "cold turkey" on alcohol risks a seizure. One could do "cold turkey" on heroin, cocaine etc, but they recommend "not on alcohol". cheers, kumar