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To: SOROS who wrote (8281)10/22/2002 12:54:33 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Global: The Next Japan?

By Stephen Roach (from Tokyo)

morganstanley.com

Deflation denial continues to pervade the macro debate. I usually introduce the topic into my presentations by asking the assembled clients to indulge me in the American children’s game of "word association." I will say one word and they have to come up with the next word that immediately pops into their minds. The word I select is "deflation," and the unanimous response is "Japan."

In a nutshell, that’s the essence of today’s deflation debate. It is largely defined by the US-Japan comparison. To the extent that America can distinguish itself from the Japanese experience -- solvent banks, flexible markets, mark-to-market securities pricing, a two-party political system, etc. -- the case for US deflation is then usually dismissed out of hand. That’s when I pause and add that you don’t have to be Japanese to worry about deflation. The case for US deflation stands on its own merits. In my opinion, we get into trouble by linking the assessment of US deflation to the sad saga of Japan.

That’s not to say there aren’t some important similarities between the US and Japan that bear careful noting. Two, in particular, come to mind -- the asset bubbles and the impact of those bubbles on the real economy. On the first count, I hear repeatedly that Japan’s bubble was much bigger than America’s. After all, it wasn’t just the Nikkei; it was also an outsize property bubble. It was the interplay between these two asset bubbles that wreaked such havoc on Japan in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The truly astonishing thing is that America can’t look in the mirror and see precisely the same pattern. The Nikkei reached its peak of 38,915 on December 29, 1989. Over the ensuing 21 months it would go on to lose 38.5% of its value while Japanese land prices, as measured by the Japanese Real Estate Institute, would continue to rise by approximately 15% before peaking in September 1991. Fast forward to America. Between December 31, 1999 and September 30, 2002, the S&P 500 lost 45% of its value -- actually worse than the initial decline in Japan. Over the same 33-month period, nationwide US home prices as measured by the Fannie Mae (OFHEO) index rose around 15%. If that’s not Japanese-like, I don’t what is. Property bubbles typically outlast those in the stock market. It was true of Japan in the early 1990s and it appears to be true of America today.

Nor does Japan have a monopoly on bubble-induced distortions in its real economy. Japan’s capital spending binge during the bubble has been well documented -- the IMF calculates that real private fixed investment per capita nearly doubled over that period. In America, a similar calculation puts the per-capita increase in real fixed investment at 73% over the 1992 to 2000 interval, only slightly shy of Japan’s binge. But the American consumer more than made up for the difference. Spending freely out of the asset bubble, the US personal saving rate plunged from a pre-bubble 6.5% reading in late 1994 to just 1.9% in late 2000. By contrast, in Japan, the so-called propensity to consume -- the inverse of the saving rate -- actually edged down in the late 1980s from 78.6% in 1984 to 75.5% in 1989. Unlike Japan, where the bubble manifested itself mainly in the form of a massive overhang of the capital stock, America’s bubble led to serious distortions in both capital spending and consumer behavior.

Alas, there’s more to this comparative saga. America also stacks up very poorly with Japan from the standpoint of its international indebtedness. During its bubble, Japan remained a net creditor to the rest of the world, with its net foreign asset position holding roughly steady at around 10% of its GDP. By contrast, the United States borrowed freely from abroad to fund the excesses of domestic consumption. Courtesy of ever-widening current-account deficits, America went from being the world’s largest creditor to the world’s largest debtor; during its bubble, the US net foreign asset position went from -2% of GDP in 1994 to a record -20% of GDP in 2000. The bubble enticed America to live well beyond its means, as those means are defined by domestic production and income generation. Lacking any autonomous demand growth of its own, the rest of the world has been more than delighted to go along for the ride -- at least until now. But unlike Japan, which was able to finance its bubble economy on its own, the bubble-induced excesses of a saving-short US economy have largely been financed through the "kindness of strangers." Despite the dollar’s seemingly Teflon-like resilience since the mid-1990s, I find nothing comforting about America’s increasingly precarious dependence on external financing. It sets the United States up for the possibility of a much more wrenching post-bubble adjustment in its currency and its external sector than Japan ever had to face.

Then there’s domestic debt -- especially that of the private sector. No matter how you cut it, America’s private sector debt loads are currently at their post-World War II highs. That’s especially true of households, where the debt-to-GDP ratio currently stands at 76%; by way of comparison, this same ratio was a mere 63% at the onset of the past recovery a decade ago. Indebtedness has also moved into uncharted territory in the business sector, where the debt-to-GDP ratio has now climbed to 69%, fractionally above the highs reached in 1987. The US experience is, in some respects, the mirror image of that which unfolded in Japan during its bubble. For the Japanese nonfinancial corporate sector, the debt-to-GDP ratio averaged an outsize 175% over the 1987 to 1993 interval; it subsequently soared to 235% by 2001. For Japanese households, the debt-to-GDP ratio rose from just 61% in the early 1980s to 74% in 1989, and then increased only slightly further to 77% in 2001. Consequently, unlike America, the Japanese consumer has been far more judicious in adding to indebtedness; Corporate Japan, by contrast, is in far worse shape.

History tells us that excess debt is the legacy of any asset bubble. That is undeniably the case in America today, just as it was in Japan in the late 1980s. Nor can the lessons of Japan’s public sector indebtedness be ignored -- a general government surplus of 2% of GDP in 1990 that has since morphed into a 7% deficit. For a fleeting moment, America also had a 2% surplus in 2000 -- only to see it vanish into thin air due to a weak economy and Bush Administration tax cuts. Our current projections call for nearly a 2% deficit in the current fiscal year -- a swing of four percentage points in the past two years alone. With Washington now sending signals of more tax cuts to come in the post-election period, a Japanese-like public sector debt problem suddenly doesn’t seem all that remote for America’s post-bubble economy.

Notwithstanding the worrisome legacy of America’s post-bubble economy, I am not inclined to believe that America faces a Japanese-like lost decade as penance for its sins. The reason boils down to one word -- flexibility. The US economy has it and the Japanese economy does not. Only now, nearly 13 years after the popping of the Nikkei bubble, is Japan finally contemplating the heavy lifting of post-bubble repair. And the verdict is hardly clear-cut that the recent Koizumi cabinet reshuffle will be sufficient to break the gridlock on financial sector reform. While there can be no doubting the reform credentials of the new financial czar, Minister Heizo Takenaka, there can also be no doubting the long-standing intransigence of the anti-reform forces still residing in the ruling LDP hierarchy. In poring through the recent analysis of our Japan team in preparation for my current Asian swing, I am struck that even today the best case that can be made for Japan is glacial-like when compared with the pyrotechnics of America’s mark-to-market system. Lest we forget, there was a near instantaneous vaporization of some $460 billion in market capitalization for America’s notorious "gang of five" -- Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, Qwest, and Computer Associates. In Japan, the "convoy system" is still struggling to keep the moribund Daiei retail company on life support.

America is not Japan. But that doesn’t mean its post-bubble legacy should be treated lightly. What strikes me as I now return to Japan is that denial finally seems to be cracking. There is the palpable sense of an urgency to reform that has captivated the debate in a fashion I haven’t seen here in years. There are no guarantees that it will work this time, but the debate and the political maneuvering seem to have a new intensity. America, by contrast, remains the land of denial. We have a defensive central bank that still doesn’t want to admit it could have done anything about the asset bubble. And we have a White House that categorically dismisses the twin perils of double dip and deflation as bad things that happen to others. The focus in Washington is on war, not on navigating the perilous course of a post-bubble economy. Maybe it’s not so far-fetched after all to begin worrying about the next Japan.



To: SOROS who wrote (8281)10/22/2002 10:25:06 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Market Update: Interesting Times?

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To: SOROS who wrote (8281)10/22/2002 10:33:56 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER 19, October 2002 (#3)

An international financial, economic, political and social commentary.

Robert Chapman, Editor Vol. 6- No. 10- 3

Phone & Fax: 941 639 4756
E-mail: bif4653@comcast.net or info@intlforecaster.com

GOLD, SILVER, PLATINUM, PALLADIUM AND DIAMONDS

Australian gold output fell 8% in the year to June. Last year production fell to 272.5 tons reflecting the lack of exploration over the past five years.

Few seem to be taking any notice but platinum prices have surged to their highest level in 16 months. A surge in lease rates has made it more expensive to hold short positions, prompting a squeeze and the result was $592.00 an ounce. For those who want to participate we recommend *Starfield Resources (SRFDF-OTC).

If China isn’t drawn into a war with the US over the next decade they will become a powerhouse of diamond demand. Experts predict growth of 25% with approximately 20,000 polishers. China has become the second largest polishing center after India. The contract manufacturing there is for Belgian, Indian and Israeli companies that have switched their production to slave-wage China. Diamond sales in China have been rising at 25-40% per year. 1990 sales were $140 million and 2000 sales were $610 million. 2002 should top $1 billion.

The South African government, as we mentioned last week, has approved a charter on black economic empowerment in the mining sector that was described by the industry as a satisfactory compromise. 15% of the mining companies will be controlled over the next five years by blacks and 26% in ten years. No matter which way you cut it the move is creeping nationalization. The mining executives may find the deal acceptable but shareholders won’t. How are these black Africans going to pay for their shares? Perhaps the government will just print them some cash. They can then pay for their interests and the mine ownerships will be sitting on more rand and less equity. We recommend sale of South African shares and the purchase of *Agnico-Eagle (AEM-NYSE) and *Goldcorp (GG-NYSE).

What is happening now in the gold lease market is the result of never ending pressure by GATA, its newsletter contributors and its subscribers. The reason that upward pressure is being exerted on lease rates is that gold producers are not increasing their derivative gold hedging via gold leasers, not even at the expense of losing financing for development. If they did they would probably face individual shareholder lawsuits and or a proxy battle. That means the demand for gold leases is very small, so the producers and the banks are not factors in higher rates. It looks like a number of central banks may have stopped leasing for whatever reason. It could be Islamic banks have withdrawn in anticipation of the introduction of the new golden dinar next June. Whatever the reason leasing pressure is coming off of gold at least to some extent. It could also be major leasers are withdrawing from the game because of the deplorable financial position of their major client JPM. We think we could be witnessing the beginning of a stampede out of bank gold leasing. If that is the case gold is getting ready to soar.

Estimates are that Chinese gold demand in 2003 will be 300 tons or over 10% of world production. That is a very large increase and if it materializes the shortfall to production could take gold to dizzying heights.

Preparations for the opening of the Shanghai Gold Exchange are now complete; the state monopoly is over. Silver and platinum will also be traded. Next year will be a giant year for gold consumption and a falling year for gold production. There can be no more fundamental bullish situation than this. In addition Russia is a continual gold buyer and the Reserve Bank of India has allowed bullion banks to have one single open position unit for both gold and forex. In June the Islamic dinar begins its new life. What a year for gold 2003 will be. Then comes the exposure of JP Morgan Chase’s bankruptcy and perpetual war. Can the case be any stronger?

After extending their takeover bid, Place Dome finally will take over Aurion Gold and its massive hedge position. We should rename the company Placer’s Folly. First Western areas and now Aurion. This company jumps from one mistake to another.

New York, Oct. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc.'s insurance unit loaned $679 million to a company controlled by Bernard Ebbers, WorldCom Inc.'s chief executive at the time, creating a conflict of interest for the biggest financial services company, according to a lawsuit.

The complaint against Citigroup and Ebbers was filed Friday by New York State Comptroller H. Carl McCall, trustee of the New York State Common Retirement Fund. The New York pension fund was named lead plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit over the collapse of WorldCom, the second-biggest long-distance telephone company…

``This web of wrongdoing is astounding and deeply disturbing,'' McCall said in a statement. The Democrat is running for governor in the Nov. 5 election against Republican incumbent George Pataki.

The following is from LeMetropoleCafé:

It gets better. All of a sudden, counterparty risk has become the topic of the day among gold producers and bullion banks. From what I hear, contracts between the two are being closely scrutinized and are the talk of the Comex. That scrutiny is only going to grow in intensity as time goes on. This is EXACTLY what Jim Sinclair has been pounding the table about for a long time.

As past stated, the central banks have certain loan covenants that forbid their bank from loaning gold to certain bullion banks that are not AA rated. Now that Morgan has been downgraded below a AA rating, those covenants HAVE to be enforced. Most likely it means that certain gold loans will not be rolled over, while others could even be recalled in the immediate future.

Morgan is going into the persona non grata phase with the world’s central banks. The bums are getting their comeuppance.

For the second time in months I am also hearing that it is the bullion banks that are forcing Barrick Gold to cover more and more of their hedges. That comes from a different, plugged-in source than the Morgan counterparty news. Talk Friday was of other producer buybacks in the NEAR future.

We all know that Morgan’s gold derivatives are huge. Those derivatives are derived from gold loans, which now must be reduced. The gold supply/demand deficit is around 1500 tonnes per year. Central bank gold is needed to fill that deficit. We know that the Dutch are already pulling in their gold loans. Morgan now has to deliver gold back to certain central banks. Foreign banks will be retreating from Morgan when it comes to gold. That leaves only the U.S. to meet the gold supply/demand deficit. But, the Fed and the U.S. Treasury say they are not dealing in gold and have not done so for eons.

YAH RIGHT!

Talk circulated Friday on the Comex of a mysterious lender of gold to the market, which combated the Morgan ripples. Was it the US?

Treasury Secretary O’Neill and Fed Chairman Greenspan should be called to speak ON THE RECORD on this matter. Secretary O’Neill is already on that record as being opposed to Congressman Ron Paul’s Monetary Reform and Accountability Act, which is in committee. The bill only asks the President or Treasury Secretary to go to Congress if they are going to deal in the gold market. Why should O’Neill be against this one if the U.S. Treasury has not dealt in gold since 1978?

Even if the US/Fed takes up the gold supply slack from other central banks for the moment, this cannot stand too long. The risk of being found out and to the health of the dollar down the road will be just too great.

Just the notion that JP Morgan Chase is not worthy to deal with most central bank’s gold is very bullish all in of itself. That has to be a wake-up call to many, especially those people that know the true size of the gold loans/swaps originated over the years. Combine new fears about the retrievability of central bank gold along with the explosiveness of the mountain of gold derivatives related to that borrowed gold and you have the making of a gold buying panic.

Something important to always keep in mind, A MIDAS MANTRA:

*Gold supply 2500 tonnes per year and tanking

*Supply/demand deficit 1500 tonnes+

*Gold loans/swaps approximately 14,000 tonnes

The result of this gold structure is the gold lenders and borrowers are trapped, prisoners of their own shorts. The only way for the gold market to clear is for the price of gold to rally many hundreds of dollars per ounce so that the peasants of the world bring their scrap gold supply to the market to let the arrogant and stupid bullion bankers out of their shorts. What an irony that is! The only other out for these bankers is for the central banks of the world to admit the gold fraud and let the bullion banks out on a cash basis. That ought to sit well with the citizens of those countries ask to bail out a bunch of incompetent, greedy bankers.

Gold fell almost $4 the past two days while the stock market soared. The gold shares closed higher on balance during that time. I suspect the gold share players sense what is lurking ahead. The factors covered in CARTEL CAPITULATION WATCH for years seem to be coming into play. That is very constructive for the gold price.

The bullion banks in The Gold Cartel are reeling already due to general financial market conditions. As those conditions deteriorate further, they are likely to go the rats leaving the gold ship route. Every cabal rat for themselves ought to be the new cartel reality. Morgan’s continuing demise in the gold business world should have already set that scenario in motion.

The coming weeks ought to be very exciting for our camp. We shall be ever vigilant.

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To: SOROS who wrote (8281)10/22/2002 10:35:02 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
GOLD & SILVER POTPOURRI - Robert Chapman

Australian gold output fell 8% in the year to June. Last year production fell to 272.5 tons reflecting the lack of exploration over the past five years.

Few seem to be taking any notice but platinum prices have surged to their highest level in 16 months. A surge in lease rates has made it more expensive to hold short positions, prompting a squeeze and the result was $592 an ounce.

If China isn't drawn into a war with the US over the next decade they will become a powerhouse of diamond demand. Experts predict growth of 25% with approximately 20,000 polishers. China has become the second largest polishing center after India. The contract manufacturing there is for Belgian, Indian and Israeli companies that have switched their production to slave-wage China. Diamond sales in China have been rising at 25-40% per year. 1990 sales were $140 million and 2000 sales were $610 million. 2002 should top $1 billion.

The South African government, as we mentioned last week, has approved a charter on black economic empowerment in the mining sector that was described by the industry as a satisfactory compromise. 15% of the mining companies will be controlled over the next five years by blacks and 26% in ten years. No matter which way you cut it the move is creeping nationalization. The mining executives may find the deal acceptable but shareholders won't. How are these black Africans going to pay for their shares? Perhaps the government will just print them some cash. They can then pay for their interests and the mine ownerships will be sitting on more rand and less equity. We recommend sale of South African shares and the purchase of *Agnico-Eagle (AEM-NYSE) and *Goldcorp (GG-NYSE).

What is happening now in the gold lease market is the result of never ending pressure by GATA, its newsletter contributors and its subscribers. The reason that upward pressure is being exerted on lease rates is that gold producers are not increasing their derivative gold hedging via gold leasers, not even at the expense of losing financing for development. If they did they would probably face individual shareholder lawsuits and or a proxy battle. That means the demand for gold leases is very small, so the producers and the banks are not factors in higher rates. It looks like a number of central banks may have stopped leasing for whatever reason. It could be Islamic banks have withdrawn in anticipation of the introduction of the new golden dinar next June. Whatever the reason leasing pressure is coming off of gold at least to some extent. It could also be major leasers are withdrawing from the game because of the deplorable financial position of their major client JPM. We think we could be witnessing the beginning of a stampede out of bank gold leasing. If that is the case gold is getting ready to soar.

China and Gold

Estimates are that Chinese gold demand in 2003 will be 300 tons or over 10% of world production. That is a very large increase and if it materializes, the shortfall to production could take gold to dizzying heights.

Preparations for the opening of the Shanghai Gold Exchange are now complete; the state monopoly is over. Silver and platinum will also be traded. Next year will be a giant year for gold consumption and a falling year for gold production. There can be no more fundamental bullish situation than this. In addition Russia is a continual gold buyer and the Reserve Bank of India has allowed bullion banks to have one single open position unit for both gold and FOREX. In June the Islamic dinar begins its new life. What a year for gold 2003 will be. Then comes the exposure of JP Morgan Chase's bankruptcy and perpetual war. Can the case be any stronger?

The following is from LeMetropoleCafé: It gets better. All of a sudden, counterparty risk has become the topic of the day among gold producers and bullion banks. From what I hear, contracts between the two are being closely scrutinized and are the talk of the COMEX.

That scrutiny is only going to grow in intensity as time goes on. This is EXACTLY what Jim Sinclair has been pounding the table about for a long time.

As past stated, the central banks have certain loan covenants that forbid their bank from loaning gold to certain bullion banks that are not AA rated. Now that Morgan has been downgraded below a AA rating, those covenants HAVE to be enforced. Most likely it means that certain gold loans will not be rolled over, while others could even be recalled in the immediate future.

Morgan is going into the persona non grata phase with the world's central banks. The bums are getting their comeuppance.

For the second time in months I am also hearing that it is the bullion banks that are forcing Barrick Gold to cover more and more of their hedges. That comes from a different, plugged-in source than the Morgan counterparty news. Talk Friday was of other producer buybacks in the NEAR future.

We all know that Morgan's gold derivatives are huge. Those derivatives are derived from gold loans, which now must be reduced. The gold supply/demand deficit is around 1500 tonnes per year. Central bank gold is needed to fill that deficit. We know that the Dutch are already pulling in their gold loans. Morgan now has to deliver gold back to certain central banks. Foreign banks will be retreating from Morgan when it comes to gold. That leaves only the U.S. to meet the gold supply/demand deficit. But, the Fed and the U.S. Treasury say they are not dealing in gold and have not done so for eons.

YAH RIGHT!
Talk circulated Friday on the COMEX of a mysterious lender of gold to the market, which combated the JP Morgan ripples. Was it the US?

Treasury Secretary O'Neill and Fed Chairman Greenspan should be called to speak ON THE RECORD on this matter. Secretary O'Neill is already on that record as being opposed to Congressman Ron Paul¹s Monetary Reform and Accountability Act, which is in committee. The bill only asks the President or Treasury Secretary to go to Congress if they are going to deal in the gold market. Why should O'Neill be against this one if the U.S. Treasury has not dealt in gold since 1978?

Even if the US/Fed takes up the gold supply slack from other central banks for the moment, this cannot stand too long. The risk of being found out and to the health of the dollar down the road will be just too great.

Just the notion that JP Morgan Chase is not worthy to deal with most central bank's gold is very bullish all in of itself. That has to be a wake-up call to many, especially those people that know the true size of the gold loans/swaps originated over the years. Combine new fears about the retrievability of central bank gold along with the explosiveness of the mountain of gold derivatives related to that borrowed gold and you have the making of a gold buying panic.

Something important to always keep in mind, A MIDAS MANTRA:

Gold supply 2500 tonnes per year and tanking
Supply/demand deficit 1500 tonnes+
Gold loans/swaps approximately 14,000 tonnes
The result of this gold structure is the gold lenders and borrowers are trapped, prisoners of their own shorts. The only way for the gold market to clear is for the price of gold to rally many hundreds of dollars per ounce so that the peasants of the world bring their scrap gold supply to the market to let the arrogant and stupid bullion bankers out of their shorts. What an irony that is! The only other out for these bankers is for the central banks of the world to admit the gold fraud and let the bullion banks out on a cash basis. That ought to sit well with the citizens of those countries ask to bail out a bunch of incompetent, greedy bankers.

Gold fell almost $4 the past two days while the stock market soared. The gold shares closed higher on balance during that time. I suspect the gold share players sense what is lurking ahead. The factors covered in CARTEL CAPITULATION WATCH for years seem to be coming into play. That is very constructive for the gold price.

The bullion banks in the Gold Cartel are reeling already. due to general financial market conditions. As those conditions deteriorate further, they are likely to go the rats leaving the gold ship route. Every cabal rat for themselves ought to be the new cartel reality. JP Morgan's continuing demise in the gold business world should have already set that scenario in motion.

The coming weeks ought to be very exciting for our camp. We shall be ever vigilant.

October 21, 2002

THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER
An international financial, economic, political and social commentary.
Published and Edited by: Bob Chapman
FOR A FREE INTRODUCTORY COPY GO TO:
Robert Chapman bif4653@comcast.net

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To: SOROS who wrote (8281)10/22/2002 12:05:53 PM
From: lurqer  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
The big picture makes all these ups and downs insignificant.

From Panic to Mania

While most would say that Panic follows Mania, if you believe in broad recurring market cycles, or even that history rhymes,

ling.helsinki.fi

then Panic must also precede Mania. Let’s look at the two-century Dow Chart to get the “big picture”.

geocities.com

The last three times the Dow touched the depicted upper channel line, have been times of stock market mania. True the ’66 mania only kissed the upper channel and the evaluations of the Go-Go market never got to the extremes of the ’29 and ’00 mania peaks. In both ’29 and ’66, the Dow fell from the upper channel to just above the lower channel and then bounced. This was the Panic stage of the market. After bouncing in ’32, the market oscillated sideways. When the market bounces off the bottom channel, the dominant market emotion is despair – because that bottom channel is so low. With the sideways oscillation, the roller coaster market turns despair into disgust. From this disgust the new secular bull is born.

In the first “show me” part of this new secular bull market, doubt is rampant. Most believe the market will turn and “retest the lows”. As time passes and the market reaches the mid-point of the channel, fear subsides and greed dominates. This sets the stage for the final mania stage of the secular bull with a blow-off top.

So to recapitulate, the stages from Panic to Mania are Panic/Bounce/Oscillate from Despair to Disgust/Show Me/Greed/Mania. From the diagram, we are currently in the Panic stage. That we are still early in the Panic stage is attested by the constant “bottom” calls and discussion of when we will return to the old highs. The answer to – Have we reached the bottom? – is have we approached the lower channel of Dow 2900? The answer to - When we will return to the old highs? - is between 2016 and 2020. IOW, the answer to both questions is: Long after anyone cares.

So, if the market is in the Panic stage of going from the upper channel line to the lower channel line, the remaining question is: How does it get there? But that’s another post.

lurqer