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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (53942)	10/22/2002 1:10:04 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Again, you do not understand. My brother has spent considerable time in New York, Washington, and other cities in this country, and had seen nothing like this. Nothing. He was a cop in one of the poorest areas of Washington DC, and had never seen anything like it. You are deluding yourself that it is "all the same". I have no idea if it is better off or not. I suggested that it might have been better off had we done a better job of intervention.......

To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (53942)	10/23/2002 12:53:22 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

And there are homeless people lying in doorways, standing on street corners with signs 'will work for food' in this country. Karen... I have to believe from your words that you've never traveled or lived amongst people in some of these poverty stricken countries.. I'm talking about places where the only potable water is that which falls from the clouds and is stored in cisterns. Where there are no dumpsters to "dive into" since garbage is buried whereever a hole can be dug (and usually uncovered years later by some poor kid cutting their bare feet on broken glass or sharp metal... Where the only facilities are outhouses dug in the backyard, and what they eat is what they are lucky enough to find or grow... Karen... the poverty in this country is VASTLY different than that found around the globe.. Here people have a choice about "opting out" of society.. And the rest are generally so mentally disturbed that not even their families want to accept responsibility for taking care of them... Yes.. it's tragic and we've grown desensitized to the poor amongst us in this nation, but opportunities are available to those who seek, or are capable, to take advantage of them... Because we have a system that does offer welfare and poverty support to those who seek it. But you go to other countries and there are areas where the governments could care less about the prosperity of various regions of their country.. Places that are forgotten because no one has a vested interest, or desire to divert money, to make their lives better... I've been in some really crappy places Karen... beautiful people eaking out a miserable living in the midst of poverty.. And even so, there are places that are far worse than anything I have experienced, such as Sudan and Ethiopia... The destitue people living outside the US are living in FAR different circumstances than those poor folks living here in the US, Canada, or Europe... Here, people have hope if they are only willing to reach out for it and accept it... But over there, in the undeveloped, authoritarian world, the only hope they have is to seize power from those who hold it, diverting the limited resources to themselves, over anyone else.. Might be time for you to do a bit of traveling... But this time, stay out of the resorts and go out (if you dare) into the villages and rural areas.. Hawk