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To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (199299)	10/22/2002 2:51:56 PM
From: jtech	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

GT)Their pension liability is probably going to pull them under 5$ but the dividend plus call premium is safe. If for some reason the bond yields keep rising the 0 percent financing by f and gm will stop.

To: James F. Hopkins who wrote (199299)	10/22/2002 4:11:45 PM
From: reaper	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 436258

<<Now Tahts a Buffet type play>> last time i checked Buffet doesn't buy stocks that are going to zero <g> 24% market share and they generate no free cash. take the off-balance-sheet pension liability away from book value and the stock trades for well over 1x book. don't hold your breath waiting for that divie, man. btw, check Buffet's extensive stock holdings. see anything in auto or related manufacturing? wonder why?? Cheers