To: Ed Forrest who wrote (62128 ) 10/23/2002 5:11:24 PM From: Wyätt Gwyön Respond to of 77400 Your kind disgusts me. ROFLMAO! thank you sir, may i please have another! I fail to see any truth in that statement including the “I” that you seem to use more than frequently you are so correct! upon deep consideration, there really is no "i", because that would imply some type of permanent self. but the self, or ego, is just an epiphenomenon of ephemeral biochemical processes and structures; our clinging to it is dukkha. only by realizing, that is manifesting, the Non-Self can we hope to transcend our vale of tears. the Buddha articulated this in the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path. somewhat later, chronologically speaking, Kierkegaard anticipated your insight (and i quote): "A human being is spirit. But what is spirit? Spirit is the self. But what is the self? The self is a relation that relates itself to itself or is the relation's relating itself to itself in the relation; the self is not the relation but is the relation's relating itself to itself. A human being is a synthesis of the infinite and the finite, of the temporal and the eternal, of freedom and necessity, in short, a synthesis. A synthesis is a relation between two. Considered in this way a human being is still not a self.... In the relation between two, the relation is the third as a negative unity, and the two relate to the relation and in the relation to the relation; thus under the qualification of the psychical the relation between the psychical and the physical is a relation. If, however, the relation relates itself to itself, this relation is the positive third, and this is the self." perhaps in future discussions on this thread, for the sake of clarity, instead of the term "i", we should use the term "this positive third". e.g., "this positive third thinks CSCO is overpriced".