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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (16030)	10/24/2002 8:33:12 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

Definitely not blackmail. It might be a choice between sale and bribe. But you usually bribe someone to do something wrong [illegal]; here the exchange is for something that you would consider good, i.e., release of the prisoners. It's got to be a sale. jttmab

To: Brumar89 who wrote (16030)	10/24/2002 12:34:10 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

So were we - to get hostages released that were held by terrorists controlled by Iran. LOL! Why do you overlook the fact that we sold them arms before they took the hostages? -g- <<< For example, the Iran-contra affair focused on what had happened since the mid-1980s -- from 1985, 1986 on -- with regard to the U.S. sale of arms to Iran. Well, an obvious question arises: namely, what was going on before 1985? And there's an answer to this. Before 1985, the United States was authorizing the sale of arms to Iran via Israel exactly as it was doing after 1985. Now at that time, remember, there were no hostages. So what's going on? If the whole operation was supposed to be an arms-for-hostages deal, how come we were doing exactly the same thing before there were any hostages? Well, that's another obvious question, and there's an answer to that one, too. It's not a secret; for example, I was writing about it in 1982 and 1983. And the answer is that the United States was authorizing arms sales to Iran via Israel in an effort to find elements within the Iranian military with whom they could establish contacts and who might be able to carry out a military coup to overthrow Khomeini. That was frankly, openly, and publicly admitted by top Israeli officials, including people high in the Mossad and others. And all the people who were later exposed in the Iran-Contra affair were speaking quite publicly about this in the early 1980s. One of them, Uri Lubrani, said that, if we can find somebody in the military who is willing and able to shoot down 10,000 people in the street, we'll be able to restore the kind of regime we want, basically meaning the Shah. That's standard policy whenever there's hostility to some government: cut off aid to that government but arm the military in the hopes that elements within the military will carry out a coup. That was done in Chile, Indonesia -- in fact, that's just normal. And it was being done in Iran in the early 1980s. >>> anar.newmail.ru Tom