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To: westpacific who wrote (374)10/24/2002 10:14:04 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 867
 
Hi westpacific, the Chinese banking crisis received a lot of attention in the past and still manages to make it into the newspaper once in a while. My opinion is that the issue is real, but not critical, and certainly not determining, because ...

Message 16172978
August 6th, 2001
"Just as an example, it has been much reported that China’s banks will blowup due to all the bad debt. What the reporters fail to analyze is that the nature of banking in China over the past 50 years was actually a money moving function of the state, with the state owning both the borrowers and the banks, and the population’s deposits are guaranteed by the state and all the population worked for the state essentially for free. This is what happens in a poor communist economy.

I had always quipped that communism requires a lot more wealth than capitalism.

In the upcoming bank IPOs, the bad debt will be absorbed by the state, funded by the sale of state-owned enterprises that had, in many cases, been the bad debt borrowers. The cleanup is mostly an accounting entry, backed up by privatization. Given the low debt level of the state, no serious private source bridge loans will be required for the IPO or conversion.

A natural question than arises, “if it is so easy, than why the wait?”. China lacks trained non-engineering people (lawyers, accountants, real bankers, etc) and the banks were not ready. Over the past 10 years, literally tens of thousands of lawyers, bankers and accountants have been cycled through the US, Britain, Japan, Hong Kong, Argentina to learn, funded by the governments and the institutions and the Chinese themselves. Laws and institutions have been adapted, and in some cases copied. Pilot schemes tried out in select cities, experiences analyzed. The banks are nearly ready.

The reform of each and every sector has been cautiously methodical, because only one chance to succeed in a given elapse of the equation of time. Now, in thinking about the nature of the problem the Chinese government faces, think about the sectors that must be concurrently reformed: Legal, Education, Finance, Tax, Health, Social Services, Pension, Insurance, …

How far down the list do you suppose the reform of the political structure will be … yup, pretty far, and by the Russian and Indian experience, necessarily so.

Do you suppose that political structure reform is on the list at all … again yup, because the resultant home owners will demand it.

It would be wrong to think of China as simply another potential Russia, Japan or India. It is perhaps more realistic to think of China as the US in 1920 or slightly earlier.
"

... and so I own a chunk of Bank of China Hong Kong, and another slice of The Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation.

BTW, the political reforms are underway as well ...
Message 18118069

Chug, Jay



To: westpacific who wrote (374)10/24/2002 10:25:37 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 867
 
Hi westpacific, to be absolutely Jay, I believe the western press generally, and the US press in particular, are not doing their job of reporting well because they are too busy doing someone else's job of editorializing.

Apparently the US press, along with the Zimbabwe press, did not make it into the top ten. The Chinese press made it into the bottom ten, but I believe while generally deserving, the regional press in China is quite free and reports on just about everything except the Communist party, Tibet and Xinjiang due to China's version of WAT-WOT-whatnot.

news.bbc.co.uk

Wednesday, 23 October, 2002, 17:50 GMT 18:50 UK
World press freedom ranked

This is the first time press freedom has been ranked

The international journalism pressure group Reporters Without Borders has published a list judging 139 countries on their respect for press freedom.
At the top of the list are Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands. North Korea, China and Burma are at the other end of the scale.

Top 10
1 - Finland, Iceland, Norway, Netherlands
5 - Canada
6 - Ireland
7 - Germany, Portugal, Sweden
10 - Denmark

There are some surprises for Western governments - the United States ranks below Costa Rica and Italy scores lower than Benin.

The pressure group's list - the first of its kind - has been compiled according to levels of censorship, arrests and killings of journalists, state monopoly ownership and legal restrictions.

Asia ruled worst

Rich countries do not have a monopoly on press freedom, according to the report.

Costa Rica (ranked 15) and Benin (11) were identified as leaders among poorer nations.

Nor is a democratic government a guarantee of press freedom - democracies such as Colombia (114) and Bangladesh (118) are far down the list.


Italy's Prime Minister Berlusconi also owns a media empire

The report from the Paris-based organisation said the situation is particularly bad in Asia, home to the worst four offenders - North Korea, China, Burma and Turkmenistan.

Reporters Without Borders said in the worst countries "press freedom is a dead letter and independent newspapers do not exist".

The only media sources are tightly controlled or monitored by the government, and the few independent journalists left in these countries are constantly harassed, the report says.

In contrast, the top four countries are labelled as states which "scrupulously respect press freedom in their own countries, but also speak up for it elsewhere".

Israel scores badly

The US' 17th place was lowered because of the number of journalists arrested for refusing to reveal their sources, the report says.

EU member countries score well in the list - except for Italy, ranked 40th.

Bottom 10
139 - N Korea
138 - China
137 - Burma
136 - Turkmenistan
135 - Bhutan
134 - Cuba
133 - Laos
132 - Eritrea
131 - Vietnam
130 - Iraq

According to Reporters Without Borders, news diversity in Italy is under serious threat, as Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi continues to combine his job as head of government with being the boss of a privately owned media group.

Elsewhere, the organisation places the Palestinian Authority (82) higher than Israel (92) in terms of press freedom.

Israel's ranking was hurt by what the pressure group claims are "a large number of violations of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights" in the West Bank and Gaza.