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To: calgal who wrote (347)10/25/2002 9:45:15 PM
From: calgal  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 411
 
New U.S. Proposal on Iraq Challenged
1 hour, 40 minutes ago
By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

URL:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=540&ncid=71...

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Russia and France challenged the new U.S. resolution on Iraq Friday, introducing rival proposals eliminating tough U.S. language that they fear could authorize military force. But President Bush (news - web sites) insisted a new resolution must have "consequences."

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The circulation of rival Russian and French texts was seen as the opening salvo in a new round of negotiations in the divided U.N. Security Council, which is under U.S. pressure to adopt a strong Iraq resolution.

U.S. Deputy Ambassador James Cunningham said Washington wants a vote by the end of next week.

The United States responded to the new texts by formally submitting its resolution to the Security Council to ensure it remains the basis for discussion. The Russian and French proposals could also be introduced, but the U.S. move meant its resolution would likely be voted on first.

At the end of more than four hours of closed-door consultations Friday, many council members said they wanted consensus on a single resolution. Serious differences remain, however, over how tough that resolution should be.

Russia, Iraq's closest council ally, circulated a text eliminating all U.S. references to "material breach" and "serious consequences" — language it says could trigger a military attack if Iraq obstructs inspections. It would also ignore nearly all U.S. proposals to broaden the powers of weapons inspectors.

France, which sees its proposal as a possible bridge between Moscow and Washington, also removed references to "material breach."

And while the U.S. draft includes a general warning of "serious consequences," the French proposal would link the "serious consequences" to a reported failure of Iraqi compliance.

French diplomats said their proposal — which also waters down U.S. designs for new inspections — had the support of a majority of the 15 council members during Friday's closed-door meeting: Mexico, Cameroon, Guinea, Ireland, Mauritius, France, China and Russia. Syria opposes any new resolution.

For adoption, a resolution must receive nine "yes" votes and no veto by a permanent member — the United States, Russia, France, China and Britain.

"It's a good day for us," a French diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "We think our text should be a good compromise. We think it's possible."

Bush discussed Iraq on Friday with Chinese President Jiang Zemin (news - web sites) and said afterward that he would not accept a weak resolution. "Let me put it bluntly: There must be consequences," he said.

Negotiations on a new resolution have been ongoing since Bush addressed the General Assembly on Sept. 12, warning that if the Security Council didn't act decisively to disarm Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), the United States would act on its own.

A few days later, Iraq announced it would allow U.N. weapons inspectors to return after an absence of nearly four years.

Cunningham, the deputy U.S. ambassador, insisted the United States wasn't seeking a green light to attack Iraq.

"We didn't bring this issue into the Security Council to look for authorization to use military force," he said. "We brought it into the Security Council to send a clear message to Iraq and to strengthen and reinforce the inspections regime so it can have a chance at success."

As part of a lobbying effort, U.S. officials handed out a list of past Security Council resolutions and statements on Iraq that used the phrases "material breach" and "serious consequences" to reinforce their argument that the new resolution was building on previous texts.

Cunningham said the United States listened to the other council members' concerns and was looking forward to hearing the views of chief weapons inspector Hans Blix and Mohammed ElBaradei of the International Atomic Energy Agency. They were to brief the council Monday.

"After that, I think we'll be in a good position to look at how we get forward to come to conclusion on the resolution next week," Cunningham said.

China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Yingfan, who opposed the U.S. references to "material breach" and favored the French version of "serious consequences," said he hoped for "some calm and sober thinking" by members over the weekend.

The aim, he stressed, must be to merge the three texts into a single resolution supported by all council members.



To: calgal who wrote (347)2/9/2003 7:01:12 PM
From: Tadsamillionaire  Respond to of 411
 
Let’s quit the UN
Mark Steyn says America has no place in a body whose Human Rights Commission is headed by Colonel Gaddafi New Hampshire
Earlier this week, on NBC’s Today Show, Katie Couric, America’s favourite wake-up gal, saluted the fallen heroes of the Columbia: ‘They were an airborne United Nations — men, women, an African-American, an Indian woman, an Israeli....’

Steady on, Katie. They were six Americans plus an Israeli. And, if they had been an ‘airborne United Nations’, for one thing the Zionist usurper wouldn’t have been on board: the UN is divided into regional voting blocs and, Israel being in a region comprised almost entirely of its enemies, it gets frosted out from the organisation’s corridors of power; no country gets so little out of its UN membership. Say what you like about Abu Hamza, Britain’s most prominent cleric, but in claiming the fate of the shuttle was God’s punishment ‘because it carried Americans, an Israeli and a Hindu, a trinity of evil against Islam’, he was at least paying attention to the particulars of the situation, not just peddling vapid multiculti bromides.

Miss Couric could have said the Columbia was an airborne America — the ‘Indian woman’, Kalpana Chawla, is the American Dream writ large upon the stars: she emigrated to the US in the Eighties and became an astronaut within a decade. But somehow it wasn’t enough to see in the crew’s multiple ethnicities a stirring testament to all the possibilities of her own country, so instead Katie upgraded them into an emblem of a far nobler ideal: the UN.

In the days before Miss Couric’s observation, there were two notable news items about the United Nations, informing us that: 1) The newly elected chair of the UN Human Rights Commission is Libya; 2) In May, the presidency of the UN Conference on Disarmament will pass to Iraq.

But, as Katie demonstrated, no matter what the UN actually is, the initials evoke in her and many others some vague soft-focus picture of Danny Kaye, Audrey Hepburn or some other UN ‘special ambassador’ surrounded by smiling children of many lands. There were many woozy Western liberals who felt — and still feel — that the theoretical idealism of communism excused all its terrible failures in practice. The UN gets a similar pass but from a far larger number of people. How else to explain all those polls in Britain, Australia and even America that show popular support for war contingent on UN approval? ‘The UN’ means the Security Council; ‘the Security Council’ is a negative — it means anything which doesn’t prompt France, Russia or China to use their vetoes. I mentioned a few months back those Anglican churchmen who’ve redefined the Christian concept of a ‘just war’ to mean only one sanctioned by the UN, and said I couldn’t see why it should be left to two atheists and a lapsed Catholic to decide whether this is a war Christians could support. But amazingly the Anglican position has now been embraced by huge majorities of the British, Australian and American peoples: only the UN can confer moral respectability on the war.

I can’t see it myself. UN support for the war presently depends on Washington giving certain understandings to France. Nothing very moral about that. Some of us think the Iraqi people should be allowed to decide for themselves whether, post-Saddam, they want anything to do with the dictator’s best pal, M. Chirac. But no, apparently the moral position is to hole up in the smoke-filled rooms until Jacques comes around.

So I find myself in a position the pollsters don’t seem to have provided for: I support a US-led war against Saddam, but not a UN war. My reasoning derives from the first Gulf war: as Colin Powell explained in his memoirs, one of the reasons for not pressing on to victory was that to do so would have risked ‘fracturing’ the international coalition. In the multilateralist paperwork, the members of the coalition get alphabetical billing, so the United States comes last. You know who’s first? Afghanistan. What did they contribute? Three hundred mujahedin. Don’t laugh, that’s more than some Nato members managed. Ninety per cent of the countries who made up Bush Sr’s Stanley Gibbons collect-the-set coalition — Belgium, Senegal, Honduras — wouldn’t have been involved in taking Baghdad and storming the presidential palace, but all claimed the right to act as a drag on those who would have. So the UN-ification of the first Gulf war is a big part of the reason it ended so unsatisfactorily. Those Republicans who think making Bush dance through the UN hoops this time round is merely a harmless interlude had better be confident that the same pressures won’t again undermine American purpose at a critical stage in the conflict.

But that’s not the main objection. When the first President Bush sought UN blessing for the liberation of Kuwait, he was attempting something very bold: he wanted the organisation to start living up to its founding ideals after the 45-year stalemate of the Cold War. Now that the great ideological conflict of the late 20th century had been settled, the UN could turn the lofty charge of its charter’s vision — to preserve ‘international peace and security’ — into reality. Instead, what happened is that it remained as sleazy, corrupt and devious as ever, but now with an absurdly inflated sense of its own importance. More to the point, as all those polls show, George Bush Sr’s solicitude towards the UN redefined the word ‘multilateralism’: it now means the UN and nothing else; no matter how many dozens of allies the US has, unless it goes through the UN it’s acting ‘unilaterally’. Indeed, it’s now ‘illegitimate’ to go to war unless under the auspices of the UN. This is a very recent fetish — it wasn’t an argument you heard during the Falklands or Grenada or Panama — and the blame for it attaches mostly to the first Bush and the first Gulf war.

It’s easy to make criticisms of the UN, starting with the familiar one that its Security Council structure is the second world war victory parade preserved in aspic. Fair enough. But in 1945, when they were passing out the vetoes, they at least reflected the geopolitical realities of the day. (Aside from the French veto, that is, which was largely unearned. Canada would have been more deserving, given our respective contributions to the war effort.) When the Cold War began, the UN structure quickly ossified into two mutually obstructive veto-wielding blocs: whatever its defects, this too neatly distilled the political realities of the age. But since the collapse of the Commies, the UN has reflected not the new realities but a new unreality, an illusion.

In the real world, Libya is an irrelevance. So is Cuba, and Syria. In the old days, the ramshackle dictatorships were proxies for heavyweight patrons, but not any more. These days President Sy Kottik represents nobody but himself. Yet somehow, in the post-Cold War talking shops, the loonitoons’ prestige has been enhanced: the UN, as the columnist George Jonas put it, enables ‘dysfunctional dictatorships to punch above their weight’. Away from Kofi and co., the world is moving more or less in the right direction: entire regions that were once tyrannies are now flawed but broadly functioning democracies — Central and Eastern Europe, Latin America. The UN has been irrelevant to this transformation. Its structures resist reform and the principal beneficiaries are the thug states.

The Libya vote is instructive. There are 53 members of the Human Rights Commission. Thirty-three voted for the Colonel. Three voted against — the United States, Canada and Guatemala (God bless her). Seventeen countries abstained, including Britain. Is that really the position of Her Majesty’s Government? Not really, and they’ve all manner of artful explanations for why the vote went as it did — it was the Africa bloc’s turn to get the chairmanship, they only put up one candidate, the EU guys had all agreed to vote as a bloc, they didn’t want to appear to snub Africa, blah blah. So the net result of filtering Britain’s voice up through one multilateral body (the EU) into another (the UN) is that you guys are now on record as having no objection to the leading international body on human rights being headed by a one-man police state that practises torture and assassination and has committed mass murder within your own jurisdiction.

That’s a microcosm of everything that’s wrong with UN-style multilateralism. There aren’t a lot of Gaddafis, but their voice is amplified because of the democratic world’s investment in UN proceduralism. Some of those abstainers are just Chiraquiste cynics: any time the Americans don’t get their way is a victory for everybody else. Others believe the world would be a genuinely better place if it was run through global committees staffed by a transnational mandarin elite of urbane charmers: that’s an undemocratic concept, and one shouldn’t be surprised that it finds itself in the same voting lobby as the dictatorships. In an ideal world, you’d like the joint run by Mary Robinson and Chris Patten, but at a pinch Gaddafi and Assad will do: transnationalism is its own raison d’être. If the postwar UN was a reflection of hard power, the present-day UN is a substitute for it.

There’s a farmer not far from me, on Route 10 between Lisbon and Littleton, who for over a decade has had painted in huge letters filling the entire side of his barn the slogan ‘US out of UN now’. It never seems to fade, so I figure he re-touches it every few years, which I guess means this isn’t just some passing political bugbear. When I first saw it, circa 1990, I believe I gave a wry chuckle positively Pattenesque in its amused sophistication: to be sure, the UN contains its share of rum coves but no serious person would entertain the notion of US withdrawal. Now I think he’s dead right, and that it’s only smug conventional-wisdom laziness that stops the idea being up for grabs.

What should replace the UN? Well, some people talk about a ‘caucus of the democracies’. But I’d like to propose a more radical suggestion: Nothing. In the war on terror, America’s most important relationships have been bilateral: John Howard hasn’t dispatched troops to the Gulf because the Aussies and the Yanks belong to the same international talking shop; Mr Blair’s helpfulness isn’t because of the EU but, if anything, in spite of it. These relationships are meaningful precisely because they’re not the product of formal transnational bureaucracies. Promoters of the ‘Anglosphere’ — a popular concept in the US since 9/11 — must surely realise there’d be little to gain in putting the Anglo-Aussie-American relationship through the wringer of a joint secretariat.

In fact, the whole idea of multilateral organisations feels a bit last millennium. With hindsight, institutions like the UN seem to have more to do with the Congress of Vienna than with the modern world, a hangover from the pre-democratic age when contact between nations was limited to the potentates’ emissaries. That’s why it so appeals to both the Euro-statists and the dictators, but, in the era of the Internet and five-cents-per-minute international phone rates and instant financial transfers and cheap vacations in the Maldives, the bloated UN bureaucracy seems at best irrelevant and at worst an obstruction to the progress of international relations. I’m all in favour of the Universal Postal Union and the Berne Copyright Convention (America was a bit late signing that one), but they work precisely because Sy Kottik and his chums weren’t involved. The non-nutcake jurisdictions came together, and others were invited to sign on as they saw fit. That’s why they work and that’s why they endure.

But if I’ve learned anything since September 11, it’s that the nation state is the only thing that’s there for you in the end. I’m a Canadian who’s spent much of his life in the United Kingdom and the United States, and I never really considered these countries as foreign to each other. But they are, in very profound ways. The 49th parallel is both the longest undefended border in the world and also the busiest, in terms of cross-border trade. But the line is real nonetheless. Transnational institutions should reflect points of agreement: Americans don’t mind the Toronto Blue Jays playing in the same baseball league because they’re agreed on the rules; a joint North American Public Health Commission, on the other hand, would be a bureaucratic boondoggle seeking to reconcile two incompatible systems. That’s what happens when you put America, Denmark, Libya and Syria on a human rights committee, and that’s why it’s wrong for the US to seek the endorsement of the Security Council when it’s acting in its vital national interest.

So I say: go ahead, Jacques, make my day. Wield your veto, and let the Texan cowboy and his ever-expanding posse go it ‘alone’. I don’t know whether a haughty Gallic ‘Non!’ would be enough to finish off the UN once and for all — these institutions are like those nuke-proof cockroaches — but I do know that another UN-sanctioned war would enshrine the principle that only the UN can sanction war. Maybe Katie Couric has stumbled on an appealing notion: ‘an airborne United Nations’. If you have to send people to the furthest reaches of the galaxy, let’s start with Kofi and co.
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To: calgal who wrote (347)2/10/2003 12:13:14 AM
From: calgal  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 411
 
PEGGY NOONAN

Gut Time
Colin Powell has persuaded me.

Monday, February 10, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST

URL:http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110003048

At this point Iraq is, for each of us, a gut call. We probably have as much information and hard data as we're going to get. There are different ways to interpret the evidence, to understand the peril. No one can prove containment will work in the future, for instance, and no one can prove that it won't. There will be a price to pay if we invade. There will be a price to pay if we don't. And ultimately you have to go with your instinct, your gut sense of the world and of men.

George W. Bush looks at fact patterns, as they say, and does not shrink from coming to conclusions if he thinks the facts demand them. This can't be said of all political leaders. Coming to a conclusion means having to take a stand. Taking a stand is dangerous. They would rather observe the drama from a distance (a distance that may not hold, for the drama may come to them) and, if it ends happily, come forth to say this is indeed what they hoped for, what they quietly helped. The success of the American operation was, we feel, partly the child of our criticisms. But it would be wrong to take credit, let us simply say we are pleased. If it ends in disaster they will say: Ah, that is why I could not support it.

That's politics. President Bush in this respect isn't a politician. He's an actual leader. He has come to conclusions and taken a stand.

This is not small but big. It's moving, and it's impressive.

But it doesn't in itself mean he's right.

Some people have been put off by, and some people are inspired by and grateful for, the degree to which the president's Christian faith seems to play a part in his leadership. A New York media person or intellectual will say, Bush thinks God put him in the presidency "at a time such as this," and that gives me the creeps. This reflects a misunderstanding about Mr. Bush's faith. He actually prays for guidance, for wisdom, for strength. Mr. Bush told an audience the other day that he thinks the most generous gift one person can give another is a prayer. He said, "I pray for strength. . . . I pray for forgiveness. And I pray to offer my thanks for a kind and generous Almighty God." This doesn't make him strange. It puts him in the normal range of Americans.
He doesn't think I'm God's guy, he agrees with everything I do. If he did it would be disturbing to say the least. But he's not John Brown saying God himself told me to start this war, and he's not an ayatollah saying death to the Great Satan. He's just a Christian asking God for help and trying in turn to do what is helpful. When you do this you're acknowledging your inadequacy and dependence. It's a declaration not of pride but of humility. To a Christian it's like declaring reality. It's like saying, "There's weather outside."

So Mr. Bush doesn't shy from conclusions and he isn't embarrassed that he asks for and needs God's help.

Fine and good. A lot of people are able to feel a certain comfort with Mr. Bush because he's authentically himself, not led by polls, a man of faith, a man who tries to stay plugged into the current of big love.

But it still doesn't necessarily mean he's right.

Which gets me to Colin Powell's testimony before the U.N. Security Council.
From the early days of the debate I listened to the secretary of state closely and with respect. I was glad to see a relative dove in the administration. It needed a dove. Mr. Powell's war-hawk foes seemed to me both bullying and unrealistic. Why not go slowly to war? A great nation should show a proper respect for the opinion of mankind, it should go to the world with evidence and argument, it should attempt to win allies.

A lot of people tracked Mr. Powell's journey, and in a way took it with him. Looking back I think I did too.

Mr. Powell now stands where the president stands: Saddam Hussein must be stopped.

This is what Mr. Powell asserted, and in my view established, in his U.N. testimony: Iraq has developed and is developing weapons of mass destruction. Iraq has deliberately hid the weapons, in contravention of international agreements. Iraq has relations with and is supportive of terrorists who mean to strike at innocent people.

You have to ask yourself: Why is Saddam developing these weapons, and what might he do with them? Will he do nothing with them? That would not be in line with his history. His history is one of aggression: invasions of neighbors, mass killings of his opponents in his own country and in others. Doing nothing with his weapons would be at odds with what appears to be his personal pathology: He is sadistic, a torturer. He likes bloody floors.

Should we think past is prologue? It would seem realistic to think that, especially when we see his increased hunger for more and bigger weapons. The anti-invasion people don't address what they think a man like Saddam will do in the future if no one stops him. Recently I asked a friend, an intellectual who is passionately antiwar and anti-Bush, what he thinks Saddam will do if we do not remove him. At first my friend dodged the question with anti-neocon invective, but when I pressed he admitted he had no idea what Saddam would do if he were not stopped--and he didn't care.

But you have to care. It's irresponsible not to.

How is Saddam a threat to world safety? Well, you don't develop chemical and biological weapons to establish world peace. You get them, you spend your treasure to get them, to use them, one way or another at one time or another. He's used the weapons he has in the past--both conventional weapons in his invasions, and unconventional weapons in his gassing of the Kurds and Iranians. He seems never to shy from violence. Do we want him to go nuclear, and then deal with him then? That would seem an unwise gamble.
If Saddam means to do mass harm with his weapons, whom does he mean to harm? He has long pointed to America and Israel as his great foes. He was thwarted and humiliated by America 12 years ago when he tried to take Kuwait. He was infuriated by Israel 22 years ago when they bombed his nuclear reactor. Whether you think America and Israel were right in those past actions or not, they are history, and they suggest who Saddam sees as his ultimate targets: them, and their allies, such as Britain and Italy.

When America in the Gulf War spared his life and left him in power, he solemnly agreed to stop developing weapons of mass destruction. The world turned its attention elsewhere as he merrily resumed developing such weapons.

It is hard to believe Saddam's future plans are benign.
It is also hard to assume an invasion of Iraq would be as smooth, short and low-cost in terms of casualties as the first Gulf War. Maybe it will. U.S. military power is somehow always stronger and more overwhelming than one expects. But this looks like Saddam's last stand, and it is hard to imagine he will not hide and use the weapons he has. American troops appear to be prepared for this, but the unarmed civilians of Iraq do not. If Saddam uses all he has and goes out in a blaze of inglory, it could yield a terrible human toll among his own people, to whose safety he's long given little thought. Those who implacably oppose war will use these civilian loses to paint America as a mindless behemoth scattering bodies in its wake. But a great nation cannot allow its decisions to be determined by the pictures its foes will paint.

War is ugly, damaging, chaotic and, in its individual application, often wildly unjust. It is as William Tecumseh Sherman said, hell. But Gen. Sherman didn't say the Civil War was wrong because war is hell. He fought hard and hellishly for the Union.

President Bush's foes warn of body bags. There will be body bags. But the question does not seem to be "invade and get body bags" versus "don't invade and no body bags." If that were so we'd all say fine, no invasion. The question is: "invasion body bags or noninvasion body bags?" Removing Saddam and taking losses, or not removing Saddam and waiting for the losses that will no doubt follow. Saddam is a body-bag bringer. Where he is, loss follows.

What good can come of an invasion? A successful invasion would mean Saddam removed and, in his place, someone almost certainly better. Maybe a more benign dictator, or an Iraqi leader who is already helping the CIA and has silent Iraqi support, or a hopeful democrat, or a claque of men who hate what Saddam's leadership did to abuse their country and people. U.S. forces would obviously be there for some time, and maybe a long time.
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction could be found, removed, destroyed.

This will be difficult, all of it. It may not work, or work completely. But if it removes Saddam and removes his killing weapons it may well sober up our allies in the area. And it will hearten the civilized world more than we imagine. For the first time since Sept. 11, 2001, the civilized world will be able to feel that it can seize control of its fate again.

It would also be a real and psychological blow to terrorism and terrorists. "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse," Osama bin Laden said in a post-Sept. 11 videotape. America, he implied, was the weak horse. Will it be bad for the world if the civilized West gallops into the chaos and removes the weapons cache? I think it will encourage a more robust sense that nonterror states do not have to be the victims of bad history in a bad era.

So: a blow to terrorism, the destruction of horrific weapons, a reassertion of Western spirit and values, and the stopping of a rogue nuclear program controlled by a sadist. This would seem to be worth a lot.

And millions of Iraqis would be freed from oppressive and pathological rule. That would be worth something too.

A more stable Iraq may well contribute to a more stable Middle East, and a more stable Mideast would contribute to a more stable world. And in the context of that enhanced stability the U.S. would hopefully feel free to be a more effective encourager of the hard steps needed to calm the Arab-Israeli conflict, which is not the only source of but the obvious modern source of our current woes.

Much needs to be done in a troubled world, and surely the removal of Saddam is part of it, a needed step.

We cannot expect a successful invasion of Iraq to result in a new age of peace and security. Islamic terrorism won't stop until all the terrorists themselves are jailed or killed. They will probably do terrible things again before the West decides once and for all and en masse to stop them. We are in for rough times. It cannot be said often enough that we are in the era of weapons of mass destruction. It is one thing for a Hitler to plan a war, build up his military and move strategically to get what he wants. It is quite another when a thousand little Hilters get their hands on one huge weapon and passionately, nihilistically go forth to kill. There will be plenty more heartache before the drama is done.
But we can't dodge history. History won't let us. We'll have to deal with it, do our best, lead for the good. Iraq is part of the pattern of world terror. To move against it is a gamble. But to do nothing is a gamble too. It's gambling on Saddam's future goodwill, a new reluctance on his part to use what he has, a change of heart, mind and character. Does that strike you as a safe bet? A good one?

Me either.