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To: TobagoJack who wrote (24562)	10/25/2002 9:12:00 PM
From: westpacific	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

FORD 162 BILLION pile of debt - two notches from junk. The next LTCM - IMO yes and many more including JPM to follow. Car Sales down 30% in recent report - and massive inventory of new cars on the street. Say goodbye to FORD. Good weekend all - and of course to the bagholders.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (24562)	10/25/2002 10:01:37 PM
From: ig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

"Hello IG, <<Right on!>> admirable. The discussion continues. I see <<"Do nothing the prudence of which you doubt." –Gracian>> on your Member 7470190 , and if enough folks concur with your ‘Right on!’, then the contrary view might become the guide to guide, just like the past few years on the investment-scape." Well, you lost me there, Jay. Congratulations! :-) (Or, perhaps, "chugs" would be in order -- congratulatory hugs?) "I am not sure, but I think the Chechens are fighting for their independence and self-rule, and we know how these fights tended to go, with nothing but history as a guide." We do? Well, let's see: The American Revolution comes to mind -- but then so does the American Civil War. Hm. ==================== On a related matter, I thought of you when I read the following. I wonder if you might have a comment: "The U.S. has enjoyed such unchallenged economic supremacy for so long that few people can imagine a world in which the U.S. isn't the world's largest economic power. But we took a step closer last week." Message 18155053 1. e4, ig

To: TobagoJack who wrote (24562)	10/25/2002 10:16:07 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<I think the Chechens are fighting for their independence and self-rule, and we know how these fights tended to go, with nothing but history as a guide.> Jay, I think "the Chechens" is not a single entity. Just as "The Northern Irish" is not a single entity. The Northern Irish do not want independence from Great Britain, Britain or The United Kingdom and probably not even from England and they don't want self-rule other than in the normal local functions. Similarly, I suspect The Chechens don't want independence from Russia. This is just part of the Moslem Head-Hacking revolution. They need to be stopped because, like Hitler, they will not stop until somebody stops them. They are on a superstitious ideological medievil empire building process with death and mayhem as their bywords. I don't want to be ruled by somebody who is as delighted by death [especially of other people's, but even their own] as I am by life. Do you? They will get you when it is your turn. The Yanks in the 1990s mistook Chechen Moslem Head-Hackers for freedom fighters, just as they mistook the IRA Omagh bombers as freedom fighters. The stupid, crazed, ignorant and 'excellent values, ready for export' Irish-Americans sent money and arms to sundry 'freedom fighters'. When it came back and bit them on the bum with the destruction of the Twin Towers, they decided that maybe these Islamic Freedom Fighters and IRA Omagh [rhymes with Omar and Osama - they say history rhymes] bombers weren't such jolly fine fellows after all. Now they are a little more circumspect about thinking it an excellent idea for Moslem Head Hackers in Western China to create mayhem and conduct murder against Chinese. They must even be having second thoughts about their military training which is perhaps weak on ethics but strong on dehumanizing and killing the enemy as the optimium solution to problems, which has resulted in the Washington sniper, Tim McVeigh and a lack of gentle harmony. The ideal soldier should have very high ethical standards, not just be a mindless "I was just following orders" Nazi goose-stepper. Then again, Tim McVeigh wasn't following any orders and reckoned he was the captain of his soul. I'm happy enough with my values and will not be going shopping for the USA exports which are apparently going on sale soon. I wonder how many will buy second class world citizenship. Mqurice