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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (24588)	10/26/2002 1:13:53 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Russian forces storm siege theatre news.bbc.co.uk Good, thanks god that's done. I ain't no pro terrorist, NI was a frightening place to be though. I was only there a few times, and glad to get out soon.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (24588)	10/26/2002 1:48:35 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

OK last NI bit. Actually I found a book on Catholic murders. I can balance it out a bit by posting some stuff on the IRA too, but we both agree they were bad guys. The important fact is this just some guys who were CAUGHT. There was much collusion going on between the security forces and the UVF etc. amazon.com He murdered his first Catholic in 1972, beginning a killing spree that would last a decade The only reason they were caught is because one of their victims somehow survived. Lots of killings on both sides were not explained, apart from what religion they were. More on the same amazon.co.uk More... weeklydig.com The 1970s: Loyalist Responses In 1971, militant Protestants from the various loyalist enclaves of Belfast came together to form the Ulster Defense Association (UDA). The group was a response to the IRA’s defense of neighboring Catholics, and to fears by loyalists that they were being abandoned by their traditional allies, the British government and armed forces. The rise of the UDA was accompanied by the revival of the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), and the formation of other smaller paramilitary organizations. The way was paved for the growth of these groups by the anti-civil-rights mobilizations of Ian Paisley, and the existing extremist network of the Orange Order. The general tactics of the various paramilitary organizations, particularly the UVF, consisted of trying to undermine public support for the IRA by killing Catholics, or anyone they could be fairly certain was a Catholic. This approach reached its pinnacle in the activities of the Shankill Butchers, nominal members of the UVF led by former prisoner Lenny Murphy in the mid-70s. The Butchers would abduct random Catholics, torture them horrifically and eventually kill them. I'll leave out the book by a supposed SAS guy who wrote about his experiences in a hit man squad. His reputation was trashed later by government sources as making it all up. (They tell the truth of course) I read that book and found it weird for someone to make it up.