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To: axial who wrote (11288)10/26/2002 3:58:51 AM
From: TheBusDriver  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 14101
 
Well, since I am running out of Pennsaid and the chemist will not let me have all the stuff russett says I need to make my own Pennsaid, I finally went back to my GP and got a prescription for Voltarol Emulget.

As a Pennnsaid user I though my comments about how competitive products compare might be of interest.

Well, Voltarol is a white colored cream. It is greasy and smelly. To be honest I don't give a shit if it helps with the pain in my knee.

Applied a good squirt of it to my knee. Rubbed it in throughly. Waited. Nothing other than a cool feeling from it evaporating I assume. Some time later, maybe 2-3 minutes I did get a minor amount of relief that I would say was about 10% of what I get with Pennsaid and it takes 18x longer to work.

OK so I thought, maybe I did not put enough on. After a couple of hours I reapplied the Voltarol, only this time doubled the dose. Same effect.

Non-professional opinion: Waste of time and money.

In the end, took my 1/2 bottle of Pennsaid and applied it to my knee before I went to bed. Instant relief.

On more thing. I have a damaged nerve because of this accident. The Sciatic (sp) nerve runs out your spine and down each leg. It parts just below the knee and goes in two directions. This damn nerve has been firing off just below my knee where it parts and is the source of major discomfort.

The upshot is I also get "sympathy" nerve pain in my hip from this nerve firing off. I can promise you, you will not sleep when this is happening.

Last night it started, I had already put Pennsaid on my knee and the spot where the nerve splits in two. No problem there. However as I lay on my side the nerve in my hip started with the sharp pain spikes.

I got the Pennsaid out, applied I don't know, 20 drops, rubbed it in. Problem solved and I went to sleep.

The bottom line is Pennsaid is so far superior to Voltarol that it is unbelievable.

We need approval and we need it now. DMX BETTER be doing EVERYTHING possible to get this done and get a UK distributor or I will personally come over there with the intention to kick some ass. They are screwing around ME.

I hope REK reads this thread, she should.



To: axial who wrote (11288)10/26/2002 12:13:39 PM
From: Montana Wildhack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 14101
 
Jim,

Much appreciated thank you. The comedy of beaurocracy
and regulation was exactly the topic and I thought it
was funny because all that convoluted doublespeak is
fact as we know it.

The point of course is not to get too absolute about what
all the agencies, regulators, and indeed companies are
saying in detail because reality once it occurs is so often
different from what was stated.

Whitness the white van in the recent Washington horrorshow,
the fact that police did stop and question them earlier,
and that it was Mr. Williams' death wish that caused him
to remind them to go back to the Montgomery issue where he
knew the Caprice had been identified. After that it was
a vigilant citizen who saw the car and took action. Thank
god this person who like so many other perpetrators recently
had gone through rigorous military training to permanently
desensitize him from normal reactions to killing human
beings, is finally in the custody of the society that made
him that way.

Its just as true that regulating agencies in north america
are facing out of the box challenges in dealing with
Pennsaid as it is that Dimethaid is facing challenges
figuring out how to get through all this. Also, while the
responsibility for the UK rests with Dimethaid, its hardly
reasonable to blame them for the EU which is much more
about turf and costs than any agreements they all signed.

So while I give her a D for communication, I also give her
an A for perseverance in continuing to fight through the
quagmire of international groups of regulators to get a
lotion through that most reasonable people will agree is
not a threat and will in fact save lives and side effects.

The core elements here always were that if it gets through
it will pay off handsomely in the one market that really
matters and you'll notice that ramble last night never
mentioned the USA. Its just as true that the stock price
rightfully reflects the lack of achieving expectations and
the risk factor still inherent.

The reason we are currently above $2 rather than below $1
is that Dimethaid at the AGM said what has been published
on this board for some time (from IR) that after quite a
long time Dimethaid is finally at the gates with the FDA
-and apparently with some brand new marketing studies that
I assume caused them to have some more US labelling
discussions.

I continue to quote Clauswitz and I think that quote from
Jack Welsh said it in a pointed way:

"Von Clausewitz summed up what it had all been about in his classic 'On War'. Men could not reduce strategy to a formula. Detailed planning necessarily failed, due to the inevitable frictions encountered: chance events, imperfections in execution, and the independent will of the opposition. Instead, the human elements were paramount: leadership, morale, and the almost instinctive savvy of the best generals.
"The Prussian general staff, under the elder von Moltke, perfected these concepts in practice. They did not expect a plan of operations to survive beyond the first contact with the enemy. They set only the broadest of objectives and emphasised seizing unforeseen opportunities as they arose. Strategy was not a lengthy action plan. It was the evolution of a central idea through continually changing circumstances."
-Jack Welch

I'm not saying Rebecca is either Clausewitz or Jack Welsh.
I am saying she's fighting battles in the same war.

Wolf