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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (8523)10/26/2002 3:45:36 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
<<...go Iowa, run that score up against vile Michigan...>>

jw: the game was NOT funny at all...when I was in Ann Arbor in the mid 90s Michigan never lost to Iowa and never suffered this type of loss in the big house at home...Iowa played well today...Notre Dame looks very good this season & your buckeyes are about ready to have some fun...=)

-Scott



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (8523)10/27/2002 2:57:23 AM
From: lurqer  Respond to of 89467
 
Hey three sigma, like triangles?

investorshub.com

lurqer



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (8523)10/27/2002 3:45:34 PM
From: H James Morris  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Jim, a link of yours came over to the Amzn thread today.
It appears you don't like Amazon, Yhoo, or eBay.
Message 18162577
Here's an article in todays LA times on eBay.
latimes.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (8523)10/27/2002 4:15:07 PM
From: SOROS  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
I don't want to get off on a political tangent, and I know I run the risk of bringing out the Bush bashers, but every once in a while, I come across this stuff again. Someone sent me this, so I don't know the original source. Has all of this been answered satisfactorily in your mind? Is some of this just concocted baloney?

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First, let's look at the timing of the hijackings. Stan Goff, the covert warrior who taught at West point writes, " Four planes get hijacked and deviate from their flight plans, all the while on FAA radar. The planes are all hijacked between 7:45 and 8:10 Am Eastern Daylight Time.

"Who is notified?

"This is an event already that is unprecedented. But the President is not notifiedƒ

"By around 8:15 AM, it should be very apparent that something is terribly wrong. The President is glad-handing teachers.

"By 8:45, when American Airlines Flight 11 crashes into the World trade Center, Bush is sitting with childrenƒ and still no one notifies the nominal Commander in Chief.

"No one has apparently scrambled any Air Force interceptors either.

"At 9:03, United Flight 175 crashes into the remaining World Trade Center building. At 9:05, Andrew Card, the Presidential Chief of Staff whispers to George W. Bushƒ

"He resumes listening to second graders readƒ this banality continues even as American Airlines Flight 77 conducts an unscheduled point turn over Ohio and heads in the direction of Washington, D.C. Has he instructed Card to scramble the Air Force? No.

"An excruciating 25 minutes later, he finally deigns to give a public statementƒ

"There's a hijacked plane bee-lining to Washington, but has the Air Force been scrambled to defend anything yet? No.

"At 9:30, when he makes his announcement, American flight 77 is still ten minutes from the Pentagon.

"At 9:35, this plane conducts another turn, 360 degrees over the Pentagon, all the while being tracked by radar, and the Pentagon is not evacuated, and there are still no fast-movers from the Air Force in the sky over Alexandria and DC."

Another easy and non-debatable hole is with the passenger lists and the hijackers. Gary North, Ph.D. - a history professor - has done a detailed, line-by-line analysis of the passenger lists of the four airliners hijacked on September 11. He relied on lists published by CNN and notes two major discrepancies on all four flights. First, by comparing the number of reported fatalities on each flight - as reported by CNN and AP, he discovers that the list of passenger names - on every one of the flights - between six and twelve names are missing. The total number of all missing names for all four flights is 35. Official reports state that there were only 19 hijackers. Second, none of listed passenger names are Arabic, Muslim or even close. The government needs to provide an explanation for this glaring discrepancy.

The significance of this is that it flies in the face of two very obvious airline safety procedures. First, every passenger must show a photo ID, matching a reservation, in order to board. An Arabic-looking passenger, not on the manifest and lacking a photo ID would never have been allowed to board. Second, prior to take off, flight attendants do a head count. It is mandatory, both to match meals to passengers and to make sure there are no stowaways. Are we to assume that the planes just took off with a bunch of extra unticketed middle-eastern passengers on board? To assume that the hijackers had control of the aircraft before take off is ludicrous. At least one of the pilots would have refused to take off and notified FAA of a hijack.

To obtain a full copy of North's scientific analysis, send an email to puzzle@kbot.com.

Then there's the flight training issue. Journalist Dan Hopsicker, www.madcowprod.com, has been meticulously pulling apart the stories about the suicide pilots' flight training before the attacks. Aside from uncovering huge holes he has noted a huge problem for the government. "It said Mohamed Atta had attended International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Ala. In addition Abdulaziz Alomari had attended Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas, they reported, and Saeed Alghamadihas had been to the Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, California."

Someone please explain how these known or suspected terrorists were given clearances to attend military and intelligence related facilities inside the US?

AND THIS:

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A September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled "Black Tuesday: The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" documented the following trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

- "Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call optionsƒ Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these "insiders" would have profited by almost $5 million.

- "On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;ƒ Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent "insiders," they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

[The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

- "No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- "Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley's share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.

- "Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the WTC Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by "insiders," their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- "European regulators are examining trades in Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster." [FTW Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a "double whammy" for them.]

On September 29, 2001 - in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by the major media - the San Francisco Chronicle reported, "Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.

"The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors - whose identities and nationalities have not been made public - had advance knowledge of the strikes." They don't dare show up now. The suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators started looking.

"ƒ October series options for UAL Corp. were purchased in highly unusual volumes three trading days before the terrorist attacks for a total outlay of $2,070; investors bought the option contracts, each representing 100 shares, for 90 cents each. [This represents 230,000 shares]. Those options are now selling at more than $12 each. There are still 2,313 so-called "put" options outstanding [valued at $2.77 million and representing 231,300 shares] according to the Options Clearinghouse Corp."

"ƒThe source familiar with the United trades identified Deutsche Bank Alex. Brown, the American investment banking arm of German giant Deutsche Bank, as the investment bank used to purchase at least some of these optionsƒ" This was the operation managed by Krongard until as recently as 1998.

As reported in other news stories, Deutsche Bank was also the hub of insider trading activity connected to Munich Re. just before the attacks.