To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (24632 ) 10/27/2002 7:50:15 AM From: maceng2 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 somehow,sadly, Yes, when is comes to mind control, secrets and plots and organizations, the CIA has come late to the party. The Catholic and Protestant religions have practiced the arts of mass hatred indoctrination, assassinations, you name it, world wide for centuries. They turned it into an advanced art long ago. Having the dark probable (certainty) machinations of papal plots on your doorstep in Ireland no doubt assisted in her subjugation by Britain. I expect the darker sides of the Catholic organization revelled in this inequality as much as hizbollah does today in the Palestinian sector of Israel. It's quite easy to imagine the Orange order in Ireland being given a free hand in ensuring they prospered in Ireland. My image of the peace process working in NI actually leaves NI as an entity. Truth I have not yet mentioned is Southern Ireland, Eire, is not the least interested in it. Apart from a few crazies who have no idea what they are talking about. Gerry Adams and co. included. The simple traditions of any culture are developed to be enjoyed by the population. Thus I see the the traditions of the Orange order left in place, yet their implication for harming other human beings reduced over the centuries. Northern Ireland is left a country by it's self. Proud of both it's Protestant minority (yes, the pope knows what he is talking about when it comes to birth control) and it's later Catholic majority. With close ties to both Britain and Ireland for advancement of it's economy. The original reasons for the frictions forever set in historical stone as future generations of children learn how easy it is for things to go wrong for the human race. November 5th soon. The kids and I look forward to as usual.bonefire.org Message 18139430 So, I like a little gunpowder...what's the big deal? I tell my concerned protestant wife. Us Catholics have some affinity for the stuff I suppose -g-