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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (43405)	10/27/2002 12:08:51 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Respond to of 50167

It was a very high price to pay but who knows may be it was the only way TO 'TREAT' THE TERRORISTS WHO WERE BEND TO TAKE LIVES OF 750 PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY REMORSE!! Absolute firmness is the only way to bring senses to fringe element that threatens global peace today. The BZ gas used by the Russians..<<The gas used by Russian special forces to end the Moscow theater siege killed 115 hostages, the city's top doctor said Sunday. "Of the 117 dead (hostages), one died of a gunshot wound," said Andrei Seltsovsky, chairman of the health committee of the city of Moscow, when asked how many of the victims died of the effects of the gas used to knock out their Chechen rebel captors. Seltsovsky said that 646 of the freed hostages were still in hospital, of whom 150 were in intensive care and 45 "in a grave condition." The unidentified chemical was so powerful that the Chechen suicide fighters who had been filmed during the siege toying with detonators attached to explosives strapped to their waists had no time to set them off. London-based security expert, Michael Yardley, said he believed the gas used was BZ, a colorless, odorless incapacitant with hallucinogenic properties, first used by the United States in Vietnam. He said the symptoms displayed by the hostages in Moscow -- inability to walk, memory loss, fainting, heartbeat irregularities, sickness -- all pointed to BZ. According to the U.S. army the side effects last 60 hours, Yardley said. >> THE ORIGINS..OF bz... <<Creasy's glowing predictions of "war without death" ran into a few technical glitches. For starters, it was impossible to discharge LSD in aerosol form. So the military-industrial surrealists concocted a more potent mind-bending drug known as BZ, which became part of the U.S. Army's chemical warfare arsenal in the early 1960s. Superhallucinogenic BZ gas was employed as a counterinsurgency weapon on a limited basis during the Vietnam war. The army eventually concluded that shifting wind patterns, BZ's tendency to trigger maniacal behavior, and the difficulties of controlling the amount of BZ absorbed during combat undermined its usefulness as a nonlethal incapacitant. An overdose of BZ could be fatal. This, however, did not stop the CIA from fiddling with several BZ-related substances as part of its ongoing R&D program geared toward behavior modification and mind control techniques. A CIA memo dated September 4, 1970, emphasized the importance BZ-type weapons for crowd control: "Trends in modern police action and warfare indicate the desire to incapacitate reversibly and demoralize, rather than kill, the enemy. . . . With the advent of highly potent natural products, psychotropic and immobilizing drugs, a new era of law enforcement. . . is being ushered in." U.S. army documents indicate that BZ was seriously considered for domestic riot control purposes. One harebrained scheme involved the use of tiny remote-controlled model airplanes nicknamed "mechanical bees." Mounted with hypodermic syringes, the bees would be aimed at selected protesters during political demonstrations to render them senseless. Another plan called for spraying BZ gas to incapacitate disorderly civilians. Today's proponents of electromagnetic crowd control techniques invoke essentially the same argument that psychochemical warfare boosters used in the 1950s: Would you rather be zapped – or dosed – by a nonlethal device or shot to death by conventional firepower? The problem with this line of reasoning is that so-called nonlethal weapons often turn out to be deadly. (Pepper spray, which is supposedly nonlethal, has been implicated in more than 100 deaths.) sfbg.com >>

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (43405)	10/27/2002 7:09:19 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

A Saudi asks, ‘why?’ Iqbal, quite confusing English-language "propaganda" article ...Appears just to say We Saudis just like Americans...sort of we both have some criminals... Nothing to do with Islam, or better say Teaching of certain brand of Islam of course So real question still Why Saudis remain in denial? Not sure if this journalist would be able to dwell into this, (without asking for Political asylum naturally) <<<But despite the enormity of what happened, we remain in denial. We still cling to conspiracy theories even after bin Laden and his fellow conspirators bragged about their great “achievement>>>>