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To: Just_Observing who wrote (54945)	10/27/2002 1:12:41 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This math exercise assumes the planes should have been flying at their top speed from the moment of takeoff. Which in turn assumes they knew from the moment of takeoff exactly where they were going. I don't know that either of these assumptions is realistic. The F15's that took off from Otis presumably would have been looking to intercept UA175, since AA11 had already crashed. Did they know the exact whereabouts of UA175? And more important, where it was going? The same considerations apply to the Pentagon crash. Now you need to ask yourself is it really realistic to think that George Bush, all of his close advisors, and all the military top brass would deliberately conspire to allow a fully fueled jetliner to crash anywhere in Washington DC the hijackers chose. All of the people I've identified (as well as the commanders at Otis and Langley and all other air bases in the area) would have had to been involved in the conspiracy you're claiming if you think about it. The plane that hit the Pentagon could have crashed anywhere in Washington the hijackers on board chose. No one else had the power to make that choice. Do you think George Bush would put his family at risk? I'm pretty sure they were home in the White House that morning. Because if they weren't your source would have used their absence as another "proof" of conspiracy. Would the government conspirators take a risk on the destruction of the entire Congress or Supreme Court, the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff? Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon when it was hit. If there was a conspiracy he would have had to have been a part of it. Did he go to work that morning taking the risk he'd be incinerated that morning? I think you're being pretty gullible.

To: Just_Observing who wrote (54945)	10/27/2002 1:13:50 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

9:49: It takes the F-16's from Langley 19 minutes to reach Washington. This means their average flight speed was only 27.4% of their top speed in trying to protect our nations capital. Langley is 130 miles from the Pentagon - F-16's have a top speed of 1500 MPH - 60 minutes divided by 19 minutes = 3.16 x 130 miles = 410.5 MPH divided by 1500 MPH = 27.4%. JO... I live in the DC area... OK?? I heard the LOUDEST Sonic Boom in my life about 10 (could have been 15-20 minutes) after the Pentagon attack (thought it was another attack, in fact).... I was later told that it was an F-16 from Langley who had been told to "kick it in the @ss and get there yesterday"... You don't get sonic booms, let alone ones that forceful and loud, by traveling at a leisurely 400 MPH. The bottom line is that no one dilly-dallied about get on target as quickly as they could, especially when the target was the Pentagon.. That just doesn't make sense. So why don't you "just observe" some more credible sources than one of Al Gore's relatives. Hawk@mustbeintheirfamilygenes.com