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To: Cactus Jack who wrote (55867)10/27/2002 12:26:50 PM
From: marginmike  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
Its really tough to root for a guy like him. I do think he has great skills. I hate clemens but appreciate his talent as well. I think Arod is an example of a guy who is decent, yet puts up ridiculous numbers



To: Cactus Jack who wrote (55867)10/27/2002 12:33:00 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
Series enters another dimension

Gary Peterson
NBCSports.com contributor
October 27, 2002

ANAHEIM, Calif. -- Some World Series are built for greatness. An all-New York City World Series, for example. A Yankees-Dodgers World Series. Any World Series involving the Red Sox, because you just know the collective psyche of New England is going to take another horrific hit.

Other World Series kind of grow on you. The best are the ones you remember because of how they ended. Welcome to one of those.

The Anaheim Angels wound up in the land of the special World Series on Saturday, dragging the San Francisco Giants kicking and screaming behind them. The 2002 World Series started out good, got better during three games in San Francisco and wound up in the land of Oz Saturday night.

Great teams? Maybe, maybe not. But great baseball, definitely. Saturday, a series of backs and forths, breakaways and comebacks went paranormal. Leading by five runs with eight outs to go, the Giants couldn't close the deal. Trailing by five runs with only eight outs to go, the Angels wouldn't go away.

Game 7 is today. This series deserves nothing less.

"I can go back to the Kirk Gibson game in '88," Angels manager Mike Scioscia said, when asked if he'd seen anything like the final three innings of Game 6. Scioscia was the Dodgers catcher the night Gibson homered off Dennis Eckersley to beat the A's. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience, until Saturday.

"I think there was about as much electricity in (Dodger) Stadium as there ever was," Scioscia said. "I think tonight surpassed that."

The Giants wouldn't admit thinking they had it won. The Angels wouldn't admit thinking they had lost. And maybe they're telling the truth.

But for 6 1/3 innings, every little thing went the Giants way. Giants starter Russ Ortiz breezed through the Anaheim lineup. The Angels, so feisty and relentless, had two hits through five innings, that an infield single by Tim Salmon.

Angels starter Kevin Appier was plenty good, too, until the fifth. Then Shawon Dunston, the Giants' DH, the guy manager Dusty Baker has kept playing despite statistical evidence that suggests Dunston is finished, hit a two-run homer.

Before the inning was over the Giants had scored another run. When Barry Bonds led off the sixth with a booming home run to right field, the Giants led 4-0 and the game had all the earmarks of a See You Later. A Bonds home run to seal the deal. What could be more perfect?

The Giants even tacked on a fifth run in the seventh, not that they were going to need it.

"You know, I thought if we could get some hits strung together, we were going to get back in the game," Scioscia said. "I didn't know it was going to happen as quickly as it did."

The Angels put two runners on with one out in the seventh, and Baker relieved Ortiz with Felix Rodriguez. That set up a ferocious battle between Rodriguez and Angels first baseman Scott Spiezio, an eight-pitch at-bat that featured four foul balls.

On the eighth pitch, with the count 3-2, Spiezio hit a towering drive down the right field line.

"I didn't know it was gone when I hit it," Spiezio said. "I was praying. I was saying, 'God, please just get over the fence.' It seemed like it took forever."

It was worth the wait. The ball cleared the wall, giving the Angels wing and evoking memories of every clutch swinger the World Series has ever known -- Bernie Carbo, Carlton Fisk, Jim Leyritz, Scott Brosius, Tino Martinez, Derek Jeter.

The Angels scored three in the seventh to get back in it, and three more in the eighth to win, evoking memories of every ecstatic beneficiary of a moment of unthinkable triumph (Ray Knight, Bill Mazeroski, Bobby Richardson, Joe Carter) and every unfortunate victim of such a moment (Ralph Terry, Bill Buckner, Mitch Williams).

The Angles pounded each other in celebration afterward. The Giants fled their dugout as if it were on fire. It was the fourth one-run game of the series.

How's that for a prelude to Game 7?

"Tonight was pretty amazing," Spiezio said. "You don't want to dwell on it, but it was so amazing that you have to sit back and say, 'Wow, that was incredible.' I think it's going to help us, give us a lot of confidence no matter what happens tomorrow. Until that last out is made, we'll never give up."

"One thing about this club," Baker said, "(it) just never comes easy and we never do it easy. I mean, we knew it was going to be a tough day today. Here we are, going to a Game 7."

It was a bad night for perspective and cooler heads. Giants second baseman Jeff Kent came as close as anybody.

"We just got beat by a good ballclub," Kent said. "(We will) deal with it, come back here and give you some more entertainment tomorrow night."

We would expect nothing less.

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NBCSports.com contributor Gary Peterson is a columnist for the Contra Costa (Calif.) Times.



To: Cactus Jack who wrote (55867)10/27/2002 2:47:07 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
jpg: Bonds has quite a contract...

detnews.com

Then again, he is quite a player...I like him and I think San Francisco is incredibly lucky to have him on the team. Sammy Sosa is our star here on The Cubs -- at times he's pretty amazing too....Bonds and Sosa are superstars who don't always 'connect' with the media but I think they have improved over the years.

Derek Jeter is an exceptional athlete AND one of the best role models out there...He grew up in Kalamazoo, Michigan where I grew up and is my brother's age -- in fact, he used to hang out at some parties with my brother and some of his friends...it's a small world. Jeter has started a foundation and helps underprivileged kids lead healthy lifestyles -- he's a class act all the way around...Here's a link to Jeter's foundation...

turn2foundation.org

I know all 'the experts' will claim The Angels should win tonight -- since they have the home field advantage, the momentum, the statistics, etc. on their side BUT I sure would not underestimate The Giants...They are the underdogs now and I still think Dusty Baker will pilot them to victory...=)

-Scott@maythebestballteamwin.com



To: Cactus Jack who wrote (55867)10/27/2002 4:20:48 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Players sense finality

By CRAIG COUNSELL
Sun Oct 27 09:41:39 2002
bigleaguers.yahoo.com

Craig Counsell, who's played in two Game 7s, believes the players are sensing the finality of the situation. (Getty Images)

The players, I think, are beginning to sense the finality of the season. As players we cling to the fact that there's always another game tomorrow. It helps you get through a bad day and helps keep you from getting too high on a good day. But you could sense that feeling of finality starting to take over in the late innings last night by looking at the players' faces. You could see tension in their eyes.
I got butterflies just watching Game 6. It was just a great comeback with all of the emotion you could possibly have in a World Series Game 6. You could sense the excitement of the crowd through the television. The late part of Game 6, especially the eighth inning, was the first time in the Series that I sensed emotion taking over with the players. Darin Erstad, Troy Glaus, Brad Fullmer and Scott Spiezio all seemed to use that emotion positively, had great at-bats and came through in big situations.

What makes Game 7 different from every other game is that you know definitively that there isn't another game tomorrow. Players know they will take whatever happens today and live with it for the offseason.

I played in a World Series Game 7 with the Marlins in '97 and again last year with the D'backs. Looking back, the thing that struck me both times was that when you arrive at the field, the hype has ended. The clubhouses in Florida and Arizona -- I played at home in both my Game 7 appearances -- were both very, very quiet. I think that's because as a player, that's when it hits you. It's when you sit down and begin contemplating the finality of the situation.

Throughout your career, you always think you're going to go on to play in a bigger game, but that's not the case when you get to Game 7 of the Series. It's a game you'll remember in detail for the rest of your life. You'll remember every pitch of every at-bat that you have. When you begin thinking about that it tends to make you a little more introspective.

Before the games you have butterflies. That goes away when the game begins, but they come back in the late innings, especially in a close game. That probably happened for a lot of guys in last night's game because the Giants were six outs from winning the Series heading into the bottom of the eighth.

Those thoughts begin to cross your mind and it causes a little anxiousness. Those feelings will be created today too.

I know from having played with Livan Hernandez that he's capable of pitching in a big game like this and I don't think it's a factor that John Lackey is a rookie. In '97, Jaret Wright was a rookie on the Indians and it didn't affect him. It's about talent and executing your pitches and Lackey has shown that he can do that.

As a fan of the game, I just hope it's a one-run game in the fifth inning, so we'll have two great hours of baseball suspense to carry us through the offseason. I want to have that feeling that on every pitch someone can become the hero.
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Craig Counsell, a rangy, clutch-hitting infielder who was the MVP of last year's NLCS, has earned World Series rings with the 1997 Florida Marlins and the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks. He batted .282 with a .348 on-base average, 22 doubles and 51 RBIs through mid-August when his 2002 season was cut short by a neck injury. He had successful surgery in September.



To: Cactus Jack who wrote (55867)10/27/2002 4:38:38 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Baker unfazed as managerial musical chairs plays out around him

By JIM LITKE
AP Sports Writer
October 27, 2002

ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) -- He could still win it all, walk away and start over somewhere else.


Lots of guys say they could.

Dusty Baker really might. Like the toothpick the Giants manager never stops chewing, he is ready to relocate in a heartbeat.

The only thing that changed direction Saturday night, though, was the World Series, as the Angels rallied from five runs down to win 6-5, setting up a Game 7.

``One thing about this club,'' Baker said, ``it just seems like it never comes easy. We knew it was going to be a tough day today.''

Baker doesn't scare easily. Beginning over in a new town with a new team wouldn't faze him. Others have already proved that. Phil Jackson said goodbye to the Chicago Bulls and revived a dynasty in Los Angeles. Jimmy Johnson walked out on owner Jerry Jones in Dallas and steadied the Miami Dolphins ship before retiring to his own yacht in the Florida keys.

Besides, second chances have been on Baker's mind a lot, ever since a bout with cancer gave a man already blessed with perspective something more to think about. Maybe that's why, as a World Series title moved within reach, job security remained way down on Baker's list.

``I see my son, I see my wife, I see a lot of things for me to live for,'' he said. ``Why am I going to worry about little stuff like this, really?''

Even as Baker spoke, the managerial version of musical chairs was speeding up around him. Former Seattle skipper Lou Piniella, one of the first guys to spot leadership qualities in Baker, will probably land in Tampa Bay. Art Howe, formerly of Oakland, hooked up with the New York Mets. The A's likely will promote coach Ken Macha to replace Howe.

But none of this makes much of a dent in Baker's thinking. He played almost 20 seasons, most of them in Atlanta and Los Angeles, and managed the last 10 in San Francisco. Baker knows a man does not succeed that long without help. On the verge of his own biggest accomplishment, he is more concerned with honoring debts than worrying about the future.

``Roy Campanella, Joe Black, Jim Gilliam,'' Baker began, running off names from the Dodgers organization. ``Those guys are like special counsel to me. There are other guys that helped me along the way.''

He says he can talk all day and not run out of names.

``Juan Marichal, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda, Jim Davenport and Mike McCormick,'' Baker continued, remembering his time in San Francisco.

Around the time Baker's playing days ended, a Dodger executive named Al Campanis said on ``Nightline'' that he believed blacks lacked the necessities to become managers. Baker has never been afraid to speak his mind and his heart wasn't set on returning to the field. But like a lot of people, he wondered how pervasive that sentiment was in baseball's front offices. Then he and Giants general manager Al Rosen sat down to talk.

``I told him I would like to be his assistant and, potentially, be a general manager someday. He told me I would be better suited for the field. I didn't know to take that as a compliment,'' Baker recalled.

``He said, ``No, it's a compliment. I've seen how you conduct yourself as a player, how guys gravitate toward you.'' He told me all the right things to kind of get me.''

By 1993, Rosen's hunch and Baker's hard work were validated. In his first season running the Giants, he led them to a second-place finish and collected the first of three manager-of-the-year awards. But he's also had his share of postseason heartbreaks.

``I don't think I have any postseason ghosts,'' Baker said.

None as a manager, anyway.

But it still haunts Baker that in the 1981 Series with the Dodgers, he could hardly hold a bat after injuring his hand in a fight with some Montreal Expos fans after a game. The strange thing is that current Anaheim manager Mike Scioscia, who was a teammate in Los Angeles back then, remembers Baker's ability to get along with people as one of his strengths.

``He's an incredible communicator,'' Scioscia said. ``I think his record speaks for itself, as far as what he's accomplished.''

And yet, despite leading this wildcard entry to the World Series, and despite keeping moody Barry Bonds happy, combative Jeff Kent content, and his pitching staff more productive than it looks on paper, Baker still has no guarantee from Giants boss Peter Magowan that he will be back next season in San Francisco.

Magowan praised Baker lavishly before Game 6, but admitted, ``Basically, it's up to him. If he wants to seek his fortune elsewhere,'' Magowan said, ``it's a free country.''

Wherever he lands, Baker has made it clear he won't come cheaply. He says he doesn't intend to ``break the bank'' -- meaning the $6 million a year Joe Torre got from the Yankees -- ``but I want to be near the bank.''

Baker is a great one for dropping messages and letting others wrestle with the meaning. When reporters noticed he was wearing his championship ring lately and asked why, Baker laughed.

``I don't know who watches cartoons, but my daughter used to watch 'She-Ra.' Put the ring up like this,'' he said, demonstrating, ``and she gets the special power. I'm wearing it for some power.''

Not that he needs any more.
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Jim Litke is the national sports columnist for The Associated Press.